0:044 seconds - I am Kelsey. I'm the CEO of the Council on Developmental Disabilities. We are located 0:1010 seconds - in Louisville. We have been around since 1952. U there are a lot of things that you probably know 0:1717 seconds - about the world, our world of disabilities, and some of them have come right out of the council. 0:2424 seconds - Um, right now the council is really big on this youth programming, youth transition, getting you 0:3030 seconds - guys where you are right now and making sure that your next steps are exactly what they need to be. 0:3737 seconds - They're smooth. They are individualized. Um, we are resource consultants. We we kind of do 0:4545 seconds - it all. We wear a lot of hats. Um, and we love we just love serving the community in this way. 0:5050 seconds - This is actually this is my favorite thing to talk about. I love anything paperwork. Um so do you 0:5959 seconds - want to introduce yourself now or do you want to whatever you want to do. Well, because we're going 1:051 minute, 5 seconds - to jump back and forth. Yeah. Um got you. My name is Heather Simpson. I'm a social worker uh with 1:141 minute, 14 seconds - the Cabinet for Health and Family Services. Um, I've been a social worker in our 17 county region 1:211 minute, 21 seconds - for the last 32 years. I retired. I came back. You're five. I came back and as a retirement job, 1:291 minute, 29 seconds - um, I have the pleasure of doing nothing but guardianships in six counties. So, 1:351 minute, 35 seconds - um, I love it. It's it's a it's a great uh it's a great job. I love working with people anyway 1:401 minute, 40 seconds - as I've been spending my 32 years with the state anyway. So, um I cover uh Henry, Trimble, Oldm, 1:471 minute, 47 seconds - um sometimes Spencer, but usually Woodford and Anderson as well. Um so, if you are an resident of any of those counties and you'll be filing paperwork, 1:571 minute, 57 seconds - you'll be seeing me on your doorstep in some way, shape, or form. Um and hopefully we can get you and your family uh to a good place. Thank you all for coming. 2:122 minutes, 12 seconds - get all this hair back in there. Um, so while we're here today, you all should have 2:182 minutes, 18 seconds - gotten a couple things. I want to make sure, Sherry, that we're all on the same page. You 2:232 minutes, 23 seconds - got the main AOC packet. You have a packet. I'm going to borrow this for a second. You have a, 2:332 minutes, 33 seconds - if you grabbed it from the front, you have the um, Oldm County, it has the filing fee on it. 2:392 minutes, 39 seconds - It's that packet. You should have um your rights as a parent. You should have the timeline sample, 2:482 minutes, 48 seconds - right? Yep. Is that Are we good there? Okay. If anybody doesn't if feels like they're 2:532 minutes, 53 seconds - missing something, please let Sherry, Heather, Rachel, or Randy know so that we can make sure 3:013 minutes, 1 second - that you have the correct paperwork because we're going to move through this. We good? 3:123 minutes, 12 seconds - All right. So, when it comes to guardianship, some of you all have, you know, heard we have 3:173 minutes, 17 secondswe have 15. We have we get to that point, I feel like, about high school that we've got to figure it out. We're starting to think about the future, what comes next because we all know 3:263 minutes, 26 secondsas parents of children with disabilities, four years can fly and it happens so quick. But for 3:323 minutes, 32 secondsus in this conversation, we started about the age 17. You can do your research obviously beforehand, 3:393 minutes, 39 secondsbut about 17 is where we are looking to make some choices. Get our our ducks in a row so that we 3:483 minutes, 48 secondscan just keep moving along. So, what we have here, there are a couple options. You don't immediately 3:543 minutes, 54 secondshave to go to guardianship. I know that that conversation, it'll happen with the doctor. 3:593 minutes, 59 secondsIt'll happen with the teacher that we have to have guardianship. That is not fully true. But at the 4:054 minutes, 5 secondsend of the day, you know your child best. You know what you think that we're going to need in the 4:114 minutes, 11 secondsfuture. Um, so these are just some major options where guardianship is the most restrictive. Um, 4:204 minutes, 20 secondssupported decision-m is the least restrictive option. Uh, so like I said, if you have more 4:274 minutes, 27 secondsquestions about that, we can really dive in. Um, at the end, if you're wondering, is guardianship 4:334 minutes, 33 secondsreally appropriate for me? I do not mind having that conversation and you can ask all of us up 4:394 minutes, 39 secondshere, but we think for your child makes sense because ultimately, you got to feel good about what you're doing because like we said, we're here for guardianship. It is the most restrictive. We 4:504 minutes, 50 secondshave to I tell every family I work with, you have to take that conversation and recognize the what 5:025 minutes, 2 secondsis happening. We are taking away the rights of another person and whether it might be the 5:085 minutes, 8 secondsmost appropriate for the situation. We do have to treat that with a little bit of dignity and kind of honor it and what it means so that we can, you know, honor it and then let's move forward. 5:215 minutes, 21 secondsOkay. So, I have some important definitions up here, things that you will see within the paperwork. If you're not familiar with the court system, you might not, it's not something that 5:325 minutes, 32 secondsyou're necessarily going to see. Um, award, a person who has been found to be disabled 5:385 minutes, 38 secondsand for whom a guardian or conservator has been appointed. guardian, the person who was appointed 5:445 minutes, 44 secondsum for the ward standby guardian that they act um as the guardian in situations where the guardian 5:515 minutes, 51 secondsis unavailable due to death, resignation, removal, incapacity. Um petitioner, that is you filing for 5:595 minutes, 59 secondsguardianship. You are the petitioner in this case because like I said, you have to remember you are 6:046 minutes, 4 secondsessentially suing to take away the rights of somebody. So the respondent is the person in most 6:136 minutes, 13 secondsthis situation for this room. The respondent is your child. They are responding to the situation. 6:246 minutes, 24 secondsOkay. So these are important because once we get into the paperwork you'll see certain things 6:316 minutes, 31 secondsin there. We will go through them. I will make sure you are very aware of them. Um, 6:366 minutes, 36 secondsa bond an insurance agreement pledging security for financial loss caused by another by act or 6:436 minutes, 43 secondsdefault. We will get into that a little bit more later. I can leave that up if you all would like 6:486 minutes, 48 secondsto read through them. Conservator, this is the one and only time I will say this. Thank Britney 6:536 minutes, 53 secondsSpears. Conservator. Um, disabled person in this sense is someone who is going to be declared by 7:017 minutes, 1 secondthe court to be disabled. Um, not a not a doctor. Not well, yes, a doctor. We'll get into that. But 7:087 minutes, 8 secondsthey are declared by the court to be disabled. Move it up for anybody wanting to read through 7:157 minutes, 15 secondsit a little more. And can we send this out, too? Yep. Okay. All right. Forms. So this packet that 7:297 minutes, 29 secondswe you all should have received at the top left side you will see AOC and then a number sequence. 7:407 minutes, 40 secondsSo are we all looking at the same thing? So okay so the first one we're looking at is 7:457 minutes, 45 secondsAOC 104. I'm going to try Sherry can you be on the internet here? Um somebody um because this 8:018 minutes, 1 secondyour package should be in order of the forms listed. So that should help you guys as well. 8:138 minutes, 13 secondsYeah, I can get you on. 8:218 minutes, 21 secondsSorry. Yeah, this this first sheet, we don't really have to get into it a lot. You're bas 8:288 minutes, 28 secondsyou're basically looking at this sheet. Like we said, you're the petitioner. Your child or 8:348 minutes, 34 secondswhomever the disabled person is is the respondent. Um, this is a big one. You do not have to have an 8:418 minutes, 41 secondsattorney. You do not have to put money out for an attorney. Um, certain situations I might you might 8:478 minutes, 47 secondscome to me and say this thing, this thing, this thing. And I might say, you know what, maybe we should. And if that's the case, I can have someone that like I kind of I do in a lot 8:588 minutes, 58 secondsof situations that I consult with them so no one gets charged and I can it's fine. They 9:069 minutes, 6 secondsmight not think it's fine anymore. I've been doing this for six years, but whatever. Um, so really the only thing that we're looking for is down in the probate and estate section over here. 9:169 minutes, 16 secondsHe has a question. Yeah. Yeah. In the case of a married couple, four or plaintiffs would enlist both parents, I'm assuming. Yes. Yes. You can you can I've had parents that do one of them 9:269 minutes, 26 secondsand then they go immediately in and do a backup guardianship. Yeah. You can stand by guardian. So if you have a primary caregiver um they could be the primary and then the standby can kick 9:379 minutes, 37 secondsin if the primary is not able to fulfill their responsibilities because they're out of town, fallen ill, what have you. Yeah. Or you could do cog guardianship as well. If you do 9:469 minutes, 46 secondsa co-guardianship and a situation arises where a decision has to be made, do both guardians have to 9:539 minutes, 53 secondsbe present and verbalize a decision? Is that like a reason? Not necessarily. No, not necessarily 10:0110 minutes, 1 secondbecause we'll get into this because you know we're we're talking about this box that says probate and estate. Most of this is happening in probate and estate court. We got to remember that a lot of 10:1110 minutes, 11 secondswhat we're talking about, especially when we're filling out this paperwork, is that SSI check, where that money is going, where we have to remember that is a big piece of the paperwork. 10:2210 minutes, 22 secondsYou'll start seeing it a little bit. Oh, you got it. Thanks. It should be working. Yeah. Okay. 10:3210 minutes, 32 secondsSo, moving forward, let's see if it wants to be 10:4410 minutes, 44 secondsI just wanted to remind everybody that this this um session is going is being recorded right now. 10:5010 minutes, 50 secondsSo any questions you ask are going to be recorded just for your personal information. I mean maybe 10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsI don't think anyone's asking before you say anything. This is going to be recorded on our 11:0511 minutes, 5 secondson our uh website for people to listen to after after the fact. Um and I don't mind sharing too 11:1311 minutes, 13 secondsmuch information. So if I can give examples I can Yeah. Well, that's why I would like you when we do 11:1811 minutes, 18 secondsthe sample, I would like you to kind of do that. Um because again, I do this every day. You you're 11:2611 minutes, 26 secondsused to the paperwork. We are not used to Exactly. Exactly. So now we are looking at AOC 740. These 11:3211 minutes, 32 secondspackets should be in the correct order. Um, you will see again petitioner that's for this. I'm 11:4311 minutes, 43 secondslike, how do I explain like the perfect way? Um, that first line up there that says Commonwealth 11:5011 minutes, 50 secondsof Kentucky versus that is the person that you believe to be disabled. So, that is your child, 11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsthat is whomever. Um would would this be an appropriate time to write this in? Yeah, if you 12:0312 minutes, 3 secondswould like to right now if you would like to or if you're just taking notes. I have um cards you can 12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsalways call because like we said we've talked like some of you said we have 15 year old. You don't have to file that paperwork yet. We are nowhere near there. They're not they don't want to deal 12:1812 minutes, 18 secondswith it yet. We're just not there. So, if we're just figuring it out, also if we can send this 12:2712 minutes, 27 secondsPowerPoint out, you will have access to the entire all of the document so that if you just want to 12:3212 minutes, 32 secondstake notes on this one, you can absolutely you can do that. Um, and then you can reprint them and 12:3812 minutes, 38 secondsit'll be perfect. Um, so then you know it's I wish I had a laser pointer. Um, that first line is the 12:4812 minutes, 48 secondsrespondent. That is the person with disabilities. Then that next line is um the petitioner. You 12:5512 minutes, 55 secondsknow, you're saying we'll just use me. Kelsey Edwards has reasonable grounds or knowledge to 13:0213 minutes, 2 secondslead him or her to believe respondent appears to be unable to provide his or her physical health and safety and or manage his or her financial resources effectively and submits to the court 13:1213 minutes, 12 secondsthe following facts upon which he or she supports this belief. So that that's basically like our 13:1713 minutes, 17 secondsthesis statement. Like that is where we're going with this. Um now most of this paperwork is really 13:2513 minutes, 25 secondssimple. One of the reasons I wanted to show you all this is there are certain things I want you to 13:3113 minutes, 31 secondsconsider when you are filling out the paperwork. But obviously like there's not much consideration 13:3713 minutes, 37 secondson your name and your phone number and stuff. So you are filling out everything that you need here. 13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsThis is a big one. Number three, the respon respondent's permanent full-time residence. 13:4813 minutes, 48 secondsIt's just where y'all are living. Like I I don't know why that consistently trips people up. Um but 13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsyou we do need um fairly accurate how long they have been living at that um location. I am going 14:0414 minutes, 4 secondsto want to move to number eight in a minute. Um but is there any questions between one and seven? 14:1514 minutes, 15 secondsI Okay. So, I want to look into that for you a little bit more and then I will So, she still is 14:2314 minutes, 23 secondsI think it I think it still will be, but let me look into that a little bit more because not to 14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsbe invasive, you're doing private pay, correct? Or you're not Medicaid is doing it. Okay, let me 14:3514 minutes, 35 secondslook into that a little until they want Right. So, let me look into that a little bit more. How much 14:4014 minutes, 40 secondstime do we have? She will speak in January. Okay. Please make a no uh no just make a note for me to 14:5014 minutes, 50 secondsum call her. Yes. Um for the length that they've resided there. What is the reason for that? Um 15:0015 minutesbecause this is not just for children. A lot of times like I said we have to think about this like say this is the same paperwork that is coming through a mental health court for if 15:0915 minutes, 9 secondsyou're filing after you filed a mental inquest warrant on someone. Say you have someone with severe mental health issues that that they've been at this address for this amount of time as far as 15:2015 minutes, 20 secondswe know. You know, this paperwork is kind of it's used for everything within trying to determine if 15:2815 minutes, 28 secondssomeone has cognitive impairment essentially. So, it's not necessarily about Yeah. The court 15:3515 minutes, 35 secondswill also want you to demonstrate Yes. on and swear by this paperwork that your child or the 15:4115 minutes, 41 secondsrespondent does in fact live in the county that you file the paperwork. Okay. If they live in a 15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsdifferent county obviously, right? It's not gonna it won't go there. There's just no come back. Um 15:5815 minutes, 58 secondslike a minimum length of No, no, no, no, no, no. This is this is it's used for a lot of things. We 16:0316 minutes, 3 secondsneed to verify where that person is. Um just Yes. Okay. So, if we're good there, I want to move to 16:1116 minutes, 11 secondseight. The nature of the respondent's disability and the facts or reasons supporting the need for 16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsdetermination of disability. This is this isn't just, oh, they have autism. We are talking about 16:2616 minutes, 26 secondsthe nature of their disability. We're, you know, we're discussing um what are their activities of 16:3216 minutes, 32 secondsdaily living like? Do they need this type of help? Um if just in the respecting everybody's time like 16:4016 minutes, 40 secondswe're I'm going to stick on to that um just um ID developmentally disabled individual right now. Um 16:4816 minutes, 48 secondswe need that I you can throw in yes throw in the diagnosis if you want to throw in an IQ. I tell 16:5416 minutes, 54 secondsparents all the time that's okay but at the end of the day we need to know the court needs to read 17:0117 minutes, 1 secondthat maybe they can't bathe themselves. They can't feed themselves. They they can't um for example, 17:1117 minutes, 11 secondsthank you. I wrote Charlotte is diagnosed with autism, epilepsy, and hyperchronic terrible palsy. She needs sign significant assistance in all areas of daily living skills. She does not 17:2117 minutes, 21 secondshave an understanding of money. She does not have the ability to make decisions or consult on her own healthcare frame. So, forgive me. Sometimes, usually I have somebody in front of me going, 17:3217 minutes, 32 seconds"Tell me about your kid." and then we word it together. Um, so yes. Well, that's what you coach 17:3817 minutes, 38 secondsme. I know. That's what I'm like I'm like I know who wrote that. I know who who was involved with 17:4317 minutes, 43 secondsthat. Um, okay. So, any questions on that because we don't just want to go, well, they have autism 17:5117 minutes, 51 secondsbecause Okay. And more. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And um we we do need more of a description. Then number 18:0118 minutes, 1 secondnine, if we are ready to move forward for our purposes, most of our individuals, most of our 18:0918 minutes, 9 secondschildren, they're not going to have um property, real property, personal property. They might have 18:1718 minutes, 17 secondsfor their situation, they might have a yearly income, which is typically their SSI, whatever, 18:2318 minutes, 23 secondslike that type of government benefit. Um that is where you are going to put in that information. 18:3018 minutes, 30 secondsSo their yearly income, what is it? And then the source of it typically is 18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsum SSI. But then we have some situations where we have some young people that work 18:4118 minutes, 41 secondsand we do need to take that into account too. Um add it all up, explain it. Um all right. 18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsmy phone. 19:0319 minutes, 3 secondsOkay. Number 10. Uh name a person or facilities having custody. Most of the time for us it is it 19:1019 minutes, 10 secondsis you already have custody. Like we're doing this at about 17 17 and a half 17 and 9 months you have 19:1619 minutes, 16 secondscustody of your child. Um if your child is over 18 um you um I'm like blanking a little bit. Is 19:2819 minutes, 28 secondsanybody over anybody's individual over 18 in this room right now? Okay. Simply put Yeah. Yeah. Just 19:3519 minutes, 35 secondsput his age. Um and then 11 for that if you have a durable power of attorney for your um person who 19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsis over that age. But for you like your example uh Miss Linda it will be the um you well typically it 19:5619 minutes, 56 secondswould just be healthcare service right if we're if we're transferring if we're transferring if 20:0320 minutes, 3 secondswe're having to do all of this paperwork again and transferring I I couldn't speak to that. Yeah. So again we're going to look I'm going to look into that because I'm going to try to see 20:1020 minutes, 10 secondsif we don't have to do this. You don't have to do this. So then 12 um it is respondents next of kin 20:1720 minutes, 17 secondsrelationship. You have two separate things right here. Um two separate spaces. Some families choose 20:2520 minutes, 25 secondsto do the mom as the petitioner and the dad as the like put that dad in next to kin and then go and 20:3120 minutes, 31 secondsdo a backup guardian situation after the fact. That is what you all want to do. Um typically I 20:3720 minutes, 37 secondshave siblings put in there. um anybody that is an X of Ken that can be a person that is helpful in 20:4620 minutes, 46 secondsthat situation to your individual. Just just know also that regardless of what you put in there that 20:5320 minutes, 53 secondsthat can change the time of the court hearing and the judge will work with with your family on who 21:0021 minutesyou want as the primary, if you want to stand by. Yes. Um, you know, you typically can't typically 21:0521 minutes, 5 secondscannot have more than one standby, but um, right the the judge can walk you through that. I was 21:1121 minutes, 11 secondshope I figured that you would go through all of it once we get through just the paperwork. Um, 21:1621 minutes, 16 secondsthat would be someone other than the G in this. Okay. All right. in just a second cuz boom. 21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsOkay, so while she's pulling up that next one, we had a little bit of a mix 21:3521 minutes, 35 secondsup with our packet. Some people have duplicates of this next one. Okay, and some people have duplicates of the personal identifier data sheet. If you 21:4421 minutes, 44 secondshave a duplicate of something, we can trade. Somebody has the same thing. Okay. 21:5221 minutes, 52 secondsWe are almost done with paperwork, y'all. Don't worry. 22:1122 minutes, 11 secondsDo we need We need What would the other one we need though if I have a list? Okay. Who needs 22:2122 minutes, 21 secondsa 740 745? Okay, so you need that. Thank you guys for your patience with this paperwork. 22:3322 minutes, 33 secondsYou need two of these. You have two of those and you don't have the 745. I'm telling you, these papers are so thick. 22:4622 minutes, 46 secondsOkay. Okay. Does Anybody else? That's fine because 22:5222 minutes, 52 secondswe can we'll just jump the identifier here in a minute. 23:0223 minutes, 2 secondsSorry. Okay, we are on AOC 745. Honestly, once we get through this, that's the bulk 23:0923 minutes, 9 secondsof the paperwork that you're doing uh at the beginning. Um the fun part is when Miss Ed 23:1623 minutes, 16 secondsum so again we see the beginning a lot of 745 is a lot like 740. You are filling 23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsin these things. Again um the only I want you to look over this because there are a 23:2923 minutes, 29 secondscouple things that I I want to talk about four and I want to talk about five. Um, 23:4823 minutes, 48 secondsand then yeah, I just want to talk about form five. And also, please keep in mind that these papers, you'll look at them and you'll see that they need to be notorized. Um, which we will 23:5723 minutes, 57 secondsget to that in a moment. All right. Any questions before I discuss form five? Could I read up? Yeah. 24:0824 minutes, 8 secondsI want I want to talk about it and then I want you to read it. Yep. Okay. So, number four says, 24:1424 minutes, 14 seconds"Applicant states his or her qualifications for appointment are as follows." All right. Let's This 24:2024 minutes, 20 secondsis just when I have to be real with y'all. They do not care that you are their parents. They do not 24:2424 minutes, 24 secondscare. They That doesn't really mean anything. It mean, you know, um they need to understand 24:3324 minutes, 33 secondswhat why you are the best person for them. um you know because life can be a little crazy. So 24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsuh do you want Sherry to share what she wrote? Uh so the applicant states his qualifications for 24:4824 minutes, 48 secondsthe scholars. I wrote I am currently providing assistance in all tasks of daily living toilet 24:5624 minutes, 56 secondshygiene feeding bathing shopping for and preparing her meals taking her to doctor's appointments 25:0325 minutes, 3 secondsand consulting with her doctors on all medical concerns. picking up prescriptions and ensuring 25:0825 minutes, 8 secondsshe takes her medication at the prescribed times. So, so while she said a lot of I'm a parent, yeah, 25:1725 minutes, 17 secondswe have to kind of explain it a little bit. Um because you got to remember too sometimes maybe 25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsyou're not doing it for just your child. Maybe you're having to do this for for your sibling, 25:3025 minutes, 30 secondsfor you know, for your parent, for so it's just like important to recognize that this 25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsis why they want to see that. Um they need to know what is going on. So number five, 25:4425 minutes, 44 secondsany questions about that though before No, but I will tell you that the lawyer who did mine said 25:4925 minutes, 49 secondsshe is an adult and the mother of the respondent. Wow. You can tell us the name of the calculator. 25:5825 minutes, 58 secondsYes. Yes. And keep in mind keep in mind too I I did I've done all this in Jefferson County. Um so 26:0626 minutes, 6 secondssome they are maybe a little bit stricter. Yeah. They're a little bit more strict on paperwork. Um 26:1326 minutes, 13 secondsbut I'm going leave it at that so that doesn't get I don't need the GLA coming for me today. 26:1926 minutes, 19 secondsJust not today. Okay. So number five again in Jefferson County. I this is where I spoke to 26:2626 minutes, 26 secondsum the courts about this what they want to see for our purposes. I tell families every time 26:3326 minutes, 33 secondsfor number five on this page is as the court the court requires and that is what we write down. 26:4426 minutes, 44 secondsThat is what we do. Yes, I was making sure I'm still there. So that is and honestly you can go ahead and write that down now as the court requires. 26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsIt makes it easy because we'll start talking about that here in a few minutes once we get through paperwork because I'm so sorry we do have to bounce around a little bit 27:0127 minutes, 1 secondum because of the amount of paperwork we have. All right. Are we good? 27:1527 minutes, 15 secondsAll right. Okay. This last sheet this is we don't have that one. You do not have that 27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsone. I got I got it right here. Okay. Right here. Okay. Does everybody have It is AOC034. 27:3327 minutes, 33 secondsOkay. This one I'm going to say it now. This one's all about your baby. This is all it is. You know, their their name, they're also known as their street, 27:4227 minutes, 42 secondstheir mailing. Um then their identifiers. Simple. That one's easy. We have to be able to identify 27:5227 minutes, 52 secondsum this one you I mean this one's quick. I feel like we roll through it very quickly. Is there 27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsany questions about any of the paperwork? And when Heather starts talking, we can go back. 28:0628 minutes, 6 secondsIf you have a question about the paperwork, we can answer it. Then I can pull it back up. 28:1428 minutes, 14 secondsWe can only start this one. Where you're at now, where you plan to go. Um, and I want I 28:2128 minutes, 21 secondswant them to have a very clear snapshot of what's going on in your lives. So, I give them a bigger 28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsdocument. And for the most part, they do they the judges here in this county for sure read from, 28:3428 minutes, 34 secondsyou know, from top to bottom. Um, once those reports are completed and submitted, 28:4228 minutes, 42 secondsum, we have there there are two I got to back up. The fourth professional is the guardian adida. 28:4828 minutes, 48 secondsThat is an attorney. That is a local attorney here. A guardian ad lightum is um basically 28:5528 minutes, 55 secondsan attorney that's appointed by the court. You don't pay for them to um act in your child's best interest to protect their constitutional rights to make sure if the rights that are being taken 29:0529 minutes, 5 secondsfrom them if is that is that actually appropriate. Okay. We've got great gas here in the county. So, 29:1129 minutes, 11 secondsum and all around our this area, this this district. Um, and so that individual will 29:1729 minutes, 17 secondsalso be reaching out to you at some point to talk with you to meet with your child. Um, they don't submit reports, but they'll be present at court. So once all three reports reports are 29:2829 minutes, 28 secondssubmitted to the court, we have what's called a pre-trial conference. The pre-trial conference is 29:3229 minutes, 32 secondsonly between the attorneys, GAL, county attorney, and the judge. Um, they'll look at the reports, 29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsdetermine whether or not they're consistent in their recommendations. Go back and talk about that in a sec. Um, and if they are in fact consistent with their recommendations and 29:4829 minutes, 48 secondseverything's in timely, we move forward to a bench trial. A bench trial is simply a a 29:5529 minutes, 55 secondspresentation of evidence usually by me. Well, I'm I'm the the witness usually um to just the judge. 30:0330 minutes, 3 secondsSo either way, it's a confidential proceeding. The only people allowed in there are you guys, 30:0830 minutes, 8 secondsyour child if it's inappropriate for your child to be in there, the attorneys, and their witnesses. 30:1430 minutes, 14 secondsI usually testify on behalf of all three reports, okay? In bench trials specifically. Um the process 30:2030 minutes, 20 secondswhen we're unanimous in our recommendation, the court process takes less than 10 minutes. It's 30:2530 minutes, 25 secondsfast. It's fast, fast, fast. And it's super friendly. Don't be intimidated by the court, 30:3130 minutes, 31 secondseverybody. And and Sherry will tell you the way I describe it is the respondent is like 30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsthe captain of the football team and everybody all the players around our jobs are to support 30:4430 minutes, 44 secondsthat football that that quarterback to make sure that they have exactly what they need to be successful. Okay? We're all on the same page. Nobody's adversarial. Nobody's fighting in court. 30:5330 minutes, 53 secondsNobody's trying to trip anybody up. We're trying to make sure that you guys have what you need 30:5730 minutes, 57 secondsto support your child. Okay? Um, let's see. What did I mess up on? What What did I miss? 31:1031 minutes, 10 secondsOkay, we did talk about a jury trial. I will tell you that on rare occasions we have a jury trial. 31:1631 minutes, 16 secondsRecently had one and it was it was kind of odd. They're all odd, but um the only time we'll have 31:2231 minutes, 22 secondsa jury trial is if there is significant um there are significant differences in 31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsthe findings between the three reports. In this case, um the one we just had last week here was 31:3431 minutes, 34 secondsu I had a recommendation, the psychologist had a recommendation, they were consistent, the doctor 31:4131 minutes, 41 secondshad a completely different recommendation. Um so we had no choice because really the judge was just 31:4831 minutes, 48 secondslike, you know, I think we need to let a jury of her peers make the decision. And um so that's so 31:5431 minutes, 54 secondsthat's what we did. And in those situations, I only testify to my report. Um and then Dr. I testifies to her report and then the doctor has to testify to their report. And we move forward. 32:0532 minutes, 5 secondsIt's a six person, six to eight person, the two extras. It's a really a sixp person jury trial, but um jurors, but there's two extra just in case somebody gets sick, they have a family emergency 32:1532 minutes, 15 secondsand they have to duck out, then we've got a backup and they listen all the way through. Those do take a little bit longer. Um I can't tell you the duration because I've seen them go as quick as 32:2632 minutes, 26 seconds15 minutes and I've seen them drag on for a couple hours. You never really know what a jury's going to do. What would what would happen if you I'm not anybody needs to do this because I didn't and it 32:3632 minutes, 36 secondswent great, but if you did hire your own attorney uh as the parent and you wanted them there, 32:4332 minutes, 43 secondswhat would their role be in like the situation you just described? Um, so their role would they could 32:5232 minutes, 52 secondsask me some questions, but I can promise you that the county attorney and the guardian edi we're going to lay it on lay it out pretty easy for the judge to understand the perspective that they're 33:0233 minutes, 2 secondscoming from. I've had a couple personal attorneys in there that are just like, um, are you all all 33:0833 minutes, 8 secondsin agreement? We and I already answer. Yeah. Yeah. So, you're paying attorney to do that, but you do you. I mean, I'm just saying if you want to do Hey, it's fine. The only other time I've seen 33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsattorneys come in for um individuals, it's usually in the cases with um older folks with the with the 33:2833 minutes, 28 secondsaged folks because we have people that are for all going after grandma's money, right? So, everybody 33:3733 minutes, 37 secondsbrings everybody comes to the circus. The one time I've seen an attorney within like an ID case, 33:4433 minutes, 44 secondswe were dealing with someone who was um their IQ was kind of borderline, but we were dealing with 33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsmental health issues at the same time. And that is the only time and it was significant mental health 33:5633 minutes, 56 secondsissues on and and at that point it was seven counties was involved. Everybody was involved and 34:0234 minutes, 2 secondsyes, there were attorneys, but for the most part, for our situation, they will just sit there. Yeah, 34:1034 minutes, 10 secondsthey will just they really don't have a whole lot of questions to the their role like if there if there's contention about who's going to be Yes. you know, who has applied to be the guardian or 34:2134 minutes, 21 secondsconservator and if there's contention between individuals and we have seen that in divorce cases where there is contention between the parents. Um they the during the trial itself 34:3134 minutes, 31 secondsthat attorney is not going to ask me a whole lot of questions. That's the time of the place. That's the proof phase. Okay. That's where we I I do the testimony. The county attorney presents his his 34:4134 minutes, 41 secondsevidence or her evidence. The guardian ad lightum asks rhetorical other questions to make sure that 34:4734 minutes, 47 secondsyou know I've covered everything. And then um and then the finding is made by the judge. If it's 34:5334 minutes, 53 secondsa bench trial, obviously he or she will make it right there from the bench again within minutes. 34:5834 minutes, 58 secondsMinut minutes. But if again a jury trial can go on a little bit longer. There's a second phase 35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsright after that happen is where the judge makes a determination on who's going to be appointed. Okay, that's might might be where another attorney would come in. Again, only if there's contention. 35:1335 minutes, 13 secondsIf there's no contention, you don't need an attorney in my in my humble social work opinion. 35:1935 minutes, 19 secondsUm but the judge is the one that is responsible for appointing um anybody that will be serving 35:2635 minutes, 26 secondsas conservator or guardian over the individual or co-conservative, co-guardian, what have you. Uh 35:3535 minutes, 35 secondswhich has been kind of like evident blown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the findings of the court. Yep. 35:4035 minutes, 40 secondsSo I we have as the evaluators we can recommend no guardianship, partial guardianship or full 35:4835 minutes, 48 secondsguardianship. The two on the outside are pretty self-explanatory. The one in the middle is not. So 35:5535 minutes, 55 secondssometimes you have individuals that can make some decisions for themselves um or can be involved in 36:0136 minutes, 1 secondthat decision making a little bit or sometimes you you have in it with younger the younger kids that 36:0836 minutes, 8 secondsare just turning 18 they may not have hit their ceiling yet. They may still be learning some 36:1436 minutes, 14 secondsindependent living things. So we'll just want to maybe do a partial disability for say two years, 36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsthree years, 5 years. It can be any amount of time that is that the the judge or the parties 36:2536 minutes, 25 secondsfeels that you guys feel is appropriate and then we revisit it to see what kinds of improvements um 36:3136 minutes, 31 secondsthat that your child has made and maybe reduce the guardianship a little bit or the conservatorship. I'm in the middle of one right now in Tremble County where I have a young man that um gosh he's 36:4136 minutes, 41 secondshad a guardian for I believe about 10 years. He's 36. Um but he has applied he's worked so hard. 36:4736 minutes, 47 secondshe has applied to become his own guardian and in my evaluation of him and I'm very transparent with 36:5436 minutes, 54 secondswith everybody. If I think you need a guardian, I'm gonna tell the judge you need a guardian. If I think you don't need a guardian, I'm going to tell the judge you don't need a guardian. It's 37:0237 minutes, 2 secondsreally very simple. I mean, I want people to be able to make as many decisions as they possibly can to be involved in their life. And even if you have a guardian, you know, you can still get their 37:1237 minutes, 12 secondsopinions on what they want. I mean, you know, you can still do that to some extent. Medical 37:1737 minutes, 17 secondscare can be a little twitchy, but you know, so I've seen that before that medical medical was 37:2437 minutes, 24 secondssomething that was the guardianship went through on that, but then I've had a family that the 37:3037 minutes, 30 secondsindividual retained voting rights. Oh yeah, that happens a lot. Like and that is just something that you one you've been doing this a long time. you're just advocating within, you know, 37:4037 minutes, 40 secondsspeaking in the evaluation phase and absolutely making sure that you are being heard within that 37:4637 minutes, 46 secondsthat if if you believe that your child should keep their voting rights, but good lord, we cannot have 37:5237 minutes, 52 secondsthem managing their own money because the next thing you know, Amazon lives in your house. Now, 37:5737 minutes, 57 secondsright, that's personal serious and the question on that end is going to be and that is a question 38:0438 minutes, 4 secondsI will always ask. Um, can you the the question is this, can your child walk into the booth and 38:1138 minutes, 11 secondsindependently vote? If they are unable to do that, then maybe it's not a good idea. If you think they 38:1738 minutes, 17 secondsmight in the future, the default of the court is to always let them keep their right to vote. Okay? But we all know, you know, you can't just you can't walk them in there and tell them who to 38:2638 minutes, 26 secondscheck off. You just can't do it. So, um, but the default is always, you know, if if they have some 38:3338 minutes, 33 secondsinformation about politics or whatever and they want the right to vote, even if they're not going to do it right now, maybe in 5 years, then the judge will let them keep their right to vote. The 38:4238 minutes, 42 secondsthe second thing is own and bear arms. Yes. So, no. Yeah. Right. If we have Yeah. We're not going 38:4938 minutes, 49 secondsto be doing that. Yeah. So, but we have had issues with um like um they do like target practice 38:5538 minutes, 55 secondsand stuff like that, but we had to be very specific with that family. You know, it's it's it's toddler supervision. It's sight and sound. It's all the safety precautions. It's just part 39:0539 minutes, 5 secondsof their family culture. Um but uh but they the child doesn't own or have access to that without 39:1339 minutes, 13 secondsthe adult or the guardian um providing that to them. So, you have a question. Yes. My cousin, 39:2039 minutes, 20 secondsher mother passed away. She's 40 something years old and she's learning how to drive. She can't 39:2639 minutes, 26 secondseven count money. And they actually picking her up and teaching her how to drive. And I'm like, she 39:3239 minutes, 32 secondsshe wants me to be a guardian. She said, "Was she able to get a permit?" Well, she passed the test. 39:3939 minutes, 39 secondsShe got a permit cuz I said, "No, she only have a permit." She said, "Look." And she showed me and 39:4539 minutes, 45 secondsI was like, "She didn't address. Now she's coming to me on it because her mother tested her. But I'm 39:5039 minutes, 50 secondslike, who? Give her a permit. You talk to her. You know, she's not either, but she can breathe. Yeah, 39:5639 minutes, 56 secondswe have families. We have families that we take care of because we the council offers that full wraparound service for the family. And we have a family, I'm hoping that you can read my mind 40:0640 minutes, 6 secondsand think of exactly who I'm talking about, that this mother, she absolutely drives. Um she however 40:1540 minutes, 15 secondsmoney management has been a skill that has been a tough road to learn. Um and but in a lot of these 40:2340 minutes, 23 secondssituations I have to trust that the court knows what they're doing. Um and with the right services 40:3040 minutes, 30 secondsand supports a lot of individuals can shoot for stars. Like there are so many things that they 40:3840 minutes, 38 secondscan do. I just, you know, you can't discount. Let's not discount them yet. Would that not be 40:4440 minutes, 44 secondspartial guardianship, though? Yes. Like, it could be if it needed to be, but yes, that's a I mean, 40:5240 minutes, 52 secondsthat's a valid question to actually at the end of the hearing to ask the judge, you know, will my child be a to drive or and let the let the judge hash that out with you because that's 41:0341 minutes, 3 secondsum right. And I feel like too, a lot of it for our conversation, I think a lot of us come in 41:0941 minutes, 9 secondshere to this situation because we know what we're doing. We know our future plan. We've 41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsstayed awake countless nights and thought about what the future already looks like for us. So, 41:2141 minutes, 21 secondsI think that a lot of times for this conversation, we kind of know um where things are going. You 41:2941 minutes, 29 secondsknow, there are times that I've had parents that they have gone and done a full guardianship and they come to me and they go, I think I want to go back to court and reduce because I do want them 41:3941 minutes, 39 secondsto learn to drive. And I have to because for one reason or another, I have to say, you know what, 41:4841 minutes, 48 secondslet's talk about that. Let's make some future plans. Let's pull out my pretty little flowcharts that I love in my office and let's talk about it. But then, you know, there are sometimes that 41:5641 minutes, 56 secondsI'm like, I do not think that that's safe and I think that the judge made a good call. However, 42:0342 minutes, 3 secondshere's the paperwork. Let's do it. Yeah. I have I have a child very borderline. And we have spent 42:1142 minutes, 11 secondsall of her years being on the border. Um, so is there somebody who would I reach out to to help 42:1942 minutes, 19 secondsfigure that out beforehand? Like she wants to take the driver's test. She's studying for it. 42:2542 minutes, 25 secondsWe've learned that the office of vocational rehab can help with those things. But to help us decide, 42:3242 minutes, 32 secondsmake the decision about what to do with I anybody in our office, Rachel, Randy or myself can talk 42:4042 minutes, 40 secondsabout that because a lot sometimes it's not it's not cut and dry. It's not cut and dry. 42:4542 minutes, 45 secondsIt is conversations about who your child is. It's conversations about your anxiety level. Um and we 42:5142 minutes, 51 secondsyou know we can map that out together. Um that is something that we do offer that service of just 42:5742 minutes, 57 secondsbeing okay and just it's just cut. I would hate to go down that road and then find that not the right 43:0643 minutes, 6 secondsand and that's the thing is sometimes it really is just making sure that you feel comfortable enough. 43:1143 minutes, 11 secondsUm, and I think all of us as parents at one time or another have felt this way, like our kids are wanting to do something just in a general sense. Our kids are wanting to do something and you're 43:2143 minutes, 21 secondslike, "Well, I'm a little scared about that one." Um, you know, and I I totally get that. I have two autistic sons myself. We are we are, you know, going down different roads every day, 43:3243 minutes, 32 secondsroads that I never thought that we would be. And I love that we can do that for you if you need 43:3943 minutes, 39 secondsus to to help us to help you talk through it. She was so much on the border that she was like 43:4343 minutes, 43 secondspartially in functional classroom and partially in regular class. Yeah, I think that mine. Yeah, 43:5143 minutes, 51 secondswe can absolutely Thank you. One other thing I just want you to know about court 43:5843 minutes, 58 secondsum is and I have to warn parents before they walk in the door um about this is when when I take the 44:0544 minutes, 5 secondsstand when we're dealing with if I'm making a recommendation of guardianship um I'm very 44:1144 minutes, 11 secondsclinical on the stand and I it's my responsibility to let the court know what their disabilities are 44:1844 minutes, 18 secondsand I always try to throw in what they can do. I try to make sure that the judge can see that. But 44:2444 minutes, 24 secondsum I have an obligation to make sure that the court understands what their true disabilities are 44:2944 minutes, 29 secondsand if in fact without a guardian or conservator are they vulnerable to the predators that are out 44:3544 minutes, 35 secondsthere. Okay, that's a huge huge question. Um, so if you know, and a lot part of my assessment deals 44:4444 minutes, 44 secondswith, you know, if somebody calls you on the phone and tells you that your best friend's in jail and tells you to go to your mom's wallet and get her bank card, what are we going to do? I'm going to 44:5344 minutes, 53 secondsgo find mom's purse. So, you know, I mean, that's it's it's a it's a valid and important thing to 45:0145 minutes, 1 secondum for me to assess um and for the judge to understand as well. So I as much as I hate to be that clinical in court, it's hard for parents to hear that especially when you're in that 45:1045 minutes, 10 secondsenvironment, but it's also very necessary. So I think and I do because we discussed this in our 45:1845 minutes, 18 secondsmeetings prepping for this um that is something we talk about heavily. Um and Brandy had just said 45:2545 minutes, 25 secondsit's kind of like being back in an IEP meeting in the evaluations again. You all should be very used 45:3045 minutes, 30 secondsto it. You should be so used to it. Um, but it is what it is. It's that and it's why we kind of 45:3745 minutes, 37 secondsbroke this up like this. I am typically that first point of contact for a lot of parents filling out this paperwork. Just the paperwork is emotional. Sometimes you can't, you know, I've had parents 45:4745 minutes, 47 secondsthat they can't even believe they're here. One, because oh my goodness, where' the time go? Um, 45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsbut then some of it is that reality sinking in. And that is what I want. You have to take 45:5845 minutes, 58 secondsaway with that. It is sometimes so hard to hear these things. It just it's hard. Um, and you know, 46:0546 minutes, 5 secondspat yourself on the back for we've done it. We're all doing it. We're all sitting here moving 46:1046 minutes, 10 secondsthrough it. Um, I couldn't do it without my team listening to the shenanigans that my children did 46:1746 minutes, 17 secondsum the day before at school. So, just keep that in mind. I'm pretty sure your slide is next. 46:2646 minutes, 26 secondsNo, you might have to ask a question before we go on in case we're changing topics here, 46:3346 minutes, 33 secondsbut um so let's say there's a a a special needs trust in place and a guardian has been named 46:4446 minutes, 44 secondsuh when the child is a minor, how how does that work into the legal proceedings once guardianship 46:5246 minutes, 52 secondshas to be established because she's an adult? Is the guardian that I appointed in that trust 46:5946 minutes, 59 secondsstill going to apply or do they have to go through some of this process somehow like 47:0647 minutes, 6 secondsa separate individual a completely different individual over the trust? Um, yeah. I mean, 47:1247 minutes, 12 secondsso what the trust is basically is if if dad and I both die, right, then there's another 47:1747 minutes, 17 secondsthere's we've named a person. Okay. So that is um Okay. So that would be um brought up to make sure 47:2647 minutes, 26 secondsthat like when you after you turn this all in, you're doing the evaluations, the judge needs to know about this so that and because it's just like a will and testament, right? Like that's 47:3447 minutes, 34 secondsthat's what it is. It's your will. Um it will need to probably be noted. I'll just um Yeah. 47:4447 minutes, 44 secondsUm it doesn't have to be like the person doesn't have to be named. It's not the same. It doesn't 47:5147 minutes, 51 secondsnecessarily have to be the same person. That is a I mean that's a different you naming it over here in a special needs trust. Person doesn't have to go through this like petition and approval. No, 48:0148 minutes, 1 secondbecause yeah this is this is giving your arrest would take now if this person like moving forward 48:0948 minutes, 9 secondsif this person is still like this is the person because I mean you know I'm like thinking about 48:1548 minutes, 15 secondsthe way that I have my will and everything set up um if this person is going to still be this person 48:2348 minutes, 23 secondslater if you want to make sure that the courts are aware of that so that if you just to have that 48:2848 minutes, 28 secondsdocumentation in there. Cool. It's in that record. Cool. But it is completely separate for now. 48:4148 minutes, 41 secondsSo this is the this is a sample that I made based on literally us doing this last year. I just kind 48:4948 minutes, 49 secondsof changed the dates, but like we started this process last summer. Like I'm thinking about, 48:5648 minutes, 56 secondsokay, what are we going to do? I'm thinking through all the details, blah blah blah. So, that's where I put this and what I I put all of my dates on here, but this is for you to 49:0749 minutes, 7 secondswork through like what you actually decide is what your timeline is based on when your child 49:1249 minutes, 12 secondsis turning 18 and I am the sort of person who is like, oh, at 17 and a half, I was like, um, hello, 49:2049 minutes, 20 secondsKelsey. Kelsey, um, when are we when are we going to meet? And like it was I think like right when school started. I was at your door. And so I'm the sort of person who wants to get it done early and 49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsget it all out there so that if something scramles at the last minute, then I'm not stressed out. And 49:3849 minutes, 38 secondsthat's just my speed. Other people can do other things differently. But it did move quickly and 49:4549 minutes, 45 secondsthis is evident in the timeline. So I I had my mind made up. We knew what we were going to do. 49:5249 minutes, 52 secondsUh, I had an appointment with Kelsey like right when school started. She helped me fill out the 49:5849 minutes, 58 secondspaperwork that we all just talked about right here in the class or in this in this workshop. 50:0450 minutes, 4 secondsOkay. Then, uh, I took it to the court in Oldm County and paid the fee. I was nervous. I'm 50:1250 minutes, 12 secondsgoing to just be honest with you. I was nervous to do that. I was sweating. I I walked in there and the person who was the clerk happened to know Charlotte from something else and she totally put 50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsme at ease and I was like, "Oh, it just made me feel so much better cuz I was sweating as I was walking up there filling out and and turning this all in." So, after you get it notorized, 50:3350 minutes, 33 secondstake it to the court and don't be nervous. We gave you the address and now you look can look up. I mean, it's probably the same person that's there and she's lovely and very friendly. 50:4350 minutes, 43 secondsUm, literally two weeks after that, I I filled out the paperwork, I paid the fee, and in two weeks 50:5150 minutes, 51 secondsit came it came back in the mail. It was like they had it all going already. They assigned the court, 50:5650 minutes, 56 secondsthey assigned the um all the professionals that needed to be involved. And I mean, it was like 51:0251 minutes, 2 secondsit was moving very quickly. So, I put in this as the next line. Even if you are not always a person 51:1151 minutes, 11 secondswho's great at checking email or great at checking your voicemail or you leave your mail in your po 51:1651 minutes, 16 secondsin the mailbox for like three, four, five days, don't that person during this two months because 51:2351 minutes, 23 secondsthere's constantly things coming that are coming through the mail, um phone calls, people trying to 51:2951 minutes, 29 secondsschedule things. Just just be on more on top of it than you have ever been because there's just a lot 51:3451 minutes, 34 secondsof that going on. I specifically wrote in here to have your primary doctor fill out and I put 51:4051 minutes, 40 secondsthe form on there and um Heather mentioned that, but that was probably my hardest part was getting 51:4651 minutes, 46 secondsmy doctor to fill out the form the right way. Luckily, I had Heather that I could say number 51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsone, is this the right form? And then I sent it to you and I said, is this and she said that's not that's not thorough enough. So, we had to go back and forth a couple times, which is why it's 52:0152 minutes, 1 secondgood to do it maybe a little bit early because if you're also dealing with a doctor, you know, they're only in the office three days or they're only able to fill out paperwork on Thursday after 52:1052 minutes, 10 secondstwo, you know. So, just those are the things that come up and get in the way. Our doctors are kind 52:1752 minutes, 17 secondsof our outliers. For whatever reason, Dr. I and myself tend to get our reports in fairly timely. 52:2352 minutes, 23 secondsI don't know why the most educated person in the group cannot get it in in a timely fashion, 52:2852 minutes, 28 secondsbut historically that is always the thing. So, I would task you guys with calling your doctor, 52:3452 minutes, 34 secondsstay on them. If they have questions, they can call me. I can walk them right through it. I've done it with several doctors. Some are really great. Some literally only sign the form. 52:4352 minutes, 43 secondsThey won't fill it in at all. And I'm like, "We're going to need more than that. We're going to need more doctor than that." That's a separate form that they're familiar with. That's 765. Yeah. That 52:5152 minutes, 51 secondsthat you have several doctors involved. Pick the one that you feel like can speak to your child's 52:5852 minutes, 58 secondsdisabilities the like the best. Sometimes you'll have you know I mean whoever you depends on your 53:0553 minutes, 5 secondschild's disability. So could be pediatrician could be neurologist if you think that's more dated 53:1753 minutes, 17 secondsearly. Uh, no. Well, there there is a a deadline that we have to keep. But, but as soon as you get 53:2453 minutes, 24 secondsit, as soon as you get it turns September 1st, you can say if we go to the doctor that he did it that 53:3153 minutes, 31 secondsmonth, that it needs to be within the last six months. Yes. I would go ahead and put it on their 53:3953 minutes, 39 secondsradar. You could print it out and maybe leave it for the nurse to put in their file or something 53:4353 minutes, 43 secondslike that. You just say, "I'm going to be making an appointment on this day. Okay. Hold your feet 53:5153 minutes, 51 secondsto the fire. That That was definitely the part that took the most handholding. And I would go over there and I would I would be like, "Don't even put it in the mail. Don't fax it anywhere. 53:5953 minutes, 59 secondsI will pick it up myself. I want this piece of paper to come in my possession." Uh so that was 54:0654 minutes, 6 secondsthat was that um primary doctor blah blah blah. Um then just like Heather said, honestly all of the 54:1254 minutes, 12 secondsother professionals that were assigned to us that moved pretty quickly and efficiently. Um and I was 54:2154 minutes, 21 secondssurprised that the um is it guardian at Lightum? That's the lawyer that is assigned to us. Someone 54:2854 minutes, 28 secondsfrom her office called and set up an appointment to come and meet Charlotte and I was I didn't know 54:3554 minutes, 35 secondsI mean that was that I thought that was awesome. I was a little bit surprised, also nervous, but 54:4054 minutes, 40 secondsdon't be. They were very nice. All of these things made me nervous, but I mean, it was it was it 54:4754 minutes, 47 secondswas not a big deal. Um, ask questions any step of the way. We have two wonderful resources that you 54:5454 minutes, 54 secondscan ask questions of. Um, then literally it was they you knew when your court date was. I mean, 55:0255 minutes, 2 secondsyou had your paperwork. Make sure you're there. You're going to want to be at that. Um, and um, 55:0955 minutes, 9 secondsI appreciated all of the prep that you gave about here's what the courtroom's going to look like, 55:1555 minutes, 15 secondsyou know, and I think that was um, that put me at ease a little bit, but I was um, 55:2255 minutes, 22 secondsthe lawyer told me that they would have they would be sitting at the table with Charlotte sitting 55:2855 minutes, 28 secondsnext to her. And if your individual can't sit at a table with someone else, you may either want 55:3555 minutes, 35 secondsto work at that or just talk to them about what else they might do. Honestly, they would let me 55:4155 minutes, 41 secondsabsolutely none of our gals are going to say, "You can't sit here." No, they're going to be like, "If both parents need to be there, they can all sit together." Absolutely. Yeah. Nobody's going to 55:5055 minutes, 50 secondsfight about that. See, look at this. See how nice that is? Be comfortable. It's a tough environment 55:5655 minutes, 56 secondsto be in for an adult. Honestly, it is. It's very intimidating and again we talked about hearing all 56:0256 minutes, 2 secondsthat clinical stuff and you have heard that in IPS but you've never been in one of these corporates and they're you know they're kind of intimidating to be honest with you. So it's you got a guy in a 56:1156 minutes, 11 secondsrobe up there and and everybody's all coat and tie and people are taking notes. Yeah. Yeah. 56:1756 minutes, 17 secondsThat could be a um so after you go attend your court date then they again do all these uh make 56:2756 minutes, 27 secondscopies of a lot of things officially stamp a lot of things and all this paperwork comes to your 56:3256 minutes, 32 secondshouse magically two weeks after that or so and and you get a folder the color we're still we're still 56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsin I'm not sure I'm not sure if it was in a folder but I just got a lot of paperwork but again make 56:4756 minutes, 47 secondssure you have a system that you're going to keep this in at home that because you're going to need this for the official copy is like stamped and Charlotte is touching my binder right now which 56:5656 minutes, 56 secondsactually makes me nervous. Um but but it it is like it's a stamped it's a stamped official like 57:0557 minutes, 5 secondsyou know it uh um paperwork that you're going to have to take with you to Norton and say okay this 57:1457 minutes, 14 secondsis my official paperwork. You're going to need that paperwork at the bank. You're going to So, 57:1957 minutes, 19 secondsyou're you're going to want to keep that in a safe in a safe place that you can access regularly. Um, 57:2757 minutes, 27 secondsthen the court will h this is in Olden County. Uh, and they explained this to me when I was 57:3557 minutes, 35 secondsthere. The same incredibly kind, friendly lady, um, explained to me, you have to do an inventory 57:4157 minutes, 41 secondsof the court within 60 days of your court date. That's just to say um how much back to that like 57:4957 minutes, 49 secondsreal estate or um if they have a checking account of some sort or anything like that that you have 57:5557 minutes, 55 secondsto just sign that and you have to have bank uh that bank a bank account open at that time. So 58:0358 minutes, 3 secondsthat was a little bit stressful for me also. Um but that's what you have to have done within 60 58:1158 minutes, 11 secondsdays of your court date. And then after that what every year um from your original court date you 58:1858 minutes, 18 secondshave to submit an annual report. They give you the paperwork for that at the court and they tell you 58:2358 minutes, 23 secondsthey will explain how you how to fill it out. It's not hard or it's not it's not very detailed. I 58:2958 minutes, 29 secondshaven't done it yet because it hasn't been a year. Um and then two year and every two years they have another financial report that's due. That's you're going to probably be keeping track of all these 58:3958 minutes, 39 secondsthings anyway. And yeah, and that that I will speak to that. That's one of the things that the council does. I teach that on how to keep track of the financial piece of that. I can tell you how to 58:5058 minutes, 50 secondsum fill out the annual report. And again, counties are going to be very different. Jefferson County, 58:5658 minutes, 56 secondsI truly recommend just because of how much money can come through a bank account in a 59:0259 minutes, 2 seconds2-year period. For Jefferson County, I say just do it yearly. And you can tell the court you want 59:0859 minutes, 8 secondsto do it yearly. um up like you can you can do it every other year if you feel like it but that 59:1359 minutes, 13 secondsI would only do that if you are super organized. Um because in making sure you are keeping track 59:2059 minutes, 20 secondsof you know this bank account that is going to have SSI come into it or any other governmental benefit that you might get and you are keeping track of the money going in and the money going 59:3059 minutes, 30 secondsout and you have to have bank statements and we have to turn in checks and you are not allowed to pull cash out. You are using a debit card. you are making sure that you keep receipts. It's a lot of 59:4059 minutes, 40 secondswork. It is a lot of work and that's again where I typically like we're like a little sandwich here. 59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsUm I I like to do that paperwork at the beginning. I do not get I don't have I don't have the time to be involved with the court and you don't need me. You don't you can I mean call me for morals. 59:5659 minutes, 56 secondsI you know that's fine. Um but then I come in and do that. Okay. So you've been approved. 1:00:041 hour, 4 secondsHere's where we are. um which we didn't just because of time we didn't go heavily into that 1:00:111 hour, 11 secondsbut it you are given instructions as upon approval maybe next year we could do that because this is 1:00:181 hour, 18 secondsall people who are getting financial literacy class I love that too that that could be next year because this is everybody we got to get through this part first before we have to start 1:00:271 hour, 27 secondsfilling out the inventory and the all those other reports and you know I love to color code things 1:00:331 hour, 33 secondsI do like that too I like these I wanted to get a check for my daughter and it said official report 1:00:391 hour, 39 secondspapers I had to bring up. So make sure you got that. Yeah, they wanted to see all that at the bank. They were very concerned about Yes. Yes. That took a while. That took a while. If you 1:00:501 hour, 50 secondsare in need of that official paperwork quick here in get that to you. And sometimes that I was just 1:00:591 hour, 59 secondsgoing to say she did give me that option of if you want to wait for it. Yep. or we can you can come and pick it up the next day morning if she keeps trials and trials and she can't get to that 1:01:091 hour, 1 minute, 9 secondsafternoon. We typically have our court hearing either 10:30 or 11:00. Um, so by that afternoon, 1:01:161 hour, 1 minute, 16 secondssay two or three o'clock, usually she has it done and we've got we've got a jury trial for example, 1:01:201 hour, 1 minute, 20 secondsor she has several other trials, um, then it might be the next day and so I think my message is just 1:01:301 hour, 1 minute, 30 secondsmostly like and I was nervous. I was very like I was very afraid I was going to mess something up. 1:01:361 hour, 1 minute, 36 secondsI was like I was kind of in a frenzy about that and I think I'm a organized person but I had good 1:01:421 hour, 1 minute, 42 secondspeople to ask questions and so I feel like that is your as long as you have resources now if you 1:01:491 hour, 1 minute, 49 secondsget stuck on something you can find the answer hopefully this was helpful but also um don't 1:01:581 hour, 1 minute, 58 secondsdon't be as nervous as it it feels even more overwhelming but it's not that it it's a really 1:02:031 hour, 2 minutes, 3 secondsfriendly yes I was surp I was surprised. I was so surprised at how Yeah. It's just not contentious 1:02:101 hour, 2 minutes, 10 secondsfor what we're doing here. It's And it doesn't have to be um if anything, you know, and frankly, 1:02:161 hour, 2 minutes, 16 secondsthe judge won't allow it to be contentious. If sometimes, you know, we've had situations where 1:02:211 hour, 2 minutes, 21 secondsthis rogue relative comes in and they're trying to, you know, get in the middle of things, you sit 1:02:271 hour, 2 minutes, 27 secondsoutside. I mean, the judges put up with absolutely zero shenanigans. Zero. Um, so if somebody looks like that they're causing a problem, they're not part of the original petition, 1:02:361 hour, 2 minutes, 36 secondsjust sit outside. Do he deals with that or she deals with that after the after we get through the 1:02:431 hour, 2 minutes, 43 secondsthe process itself and the appointments coming in, if he wants to he or she wants to bring them in, sometimes they'll be like, "No, they're not on the file an application and I'm 1:02:521 hour, 2 minutes, 52 secondsnot going to adopt them. We can file a separate application. We'll hash it out later." But um, but under no circumstances is it ever contentious, especially with responding around, right? 1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 secondsDoes anybody have questions that they want to ask about any parts? If if you 1:03:121 hour, 3 minutes, 12 secondsguys feel it some more or you don't want to want to have a private conversation, you can take a one that's not being recorded. You don't want to go over there. Yeah. If you want 1:03:221 hour, 3 minutes, 22 secondsa private conversation, raise your hand. I'll give you a card or you can write your name on the back of the card for me to call you. I'm going to take the whole box. We can do both. 1:03:301 hour, 3 minutes, 30 secondsI'll be your number on and I'll give you a call as well.