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Hi everyone.

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Welcome
to Navigating the Digital Playground,

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a new podcast from the Stevens Point Area
Public School District.

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I'm Sarah O'Donnell,
director of communications,

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and I'm really glad you're here.

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This series is designed to continue
a conversation that began last year

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through our digital age sessions,
really focusing on how technology shapes

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students lives
and how we can work together to help them

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use it in healthy,
positive and balanced ways.

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welcome back to our next episode
of Navigating the Digital Playground.

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Today we are going to talk about
creating healthy tech boundaries at home.

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And we have with us Doctor Brian Casey,
our director of technology.

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Who is going to chat with us about that
today.

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Welcome, Brian.

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Thank you. Yeah. It's, nice to be here.

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I love, 
talking about technology and kids.

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That's why I got into this job. Perfect.

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Can you give us a little bit
of your background, Brian?

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How long you've been with the district?
Yeah.

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I I it's my 13th year in the district.

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In this role.

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Prior to that, I was a technology coach, 
teacher that helped with technology.

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And I was a teacher
for a good number of years.

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So I have that background, too.

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And I'm also a parent.

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I do have three children

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who went through the Stevens
Point Area public school District,

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so I'm very familiar with how we do things
here.

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And, and, over the course of my career,
I've been very, collaborative, with

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other colleagues and other professionals
that,

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really have the focus on

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how do we use technology in teaching and,
and beyond that,

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also, kids, what are they using?

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What impacts them?

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How do we keep them safe?

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It's also been a primary focus of my
my work over the last decade.

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Really? Yeah, absolutely.

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Brian, what are you hearing from families
about technology use at home right now,

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or what's coming into our classrooms
that we're seeing?

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it's pretty clear that
that, you know, kids that are growing up

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now are growing up digital.

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We've known that for a while.

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I mean, that's been a fact.

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For over a decade. It's not anything new.

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Some of the technology
that they're using changes,

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you know, currently,
there's a lot of, TikTok is a big thing.

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Those types of platforms that change.

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But really, the the idea behind
it is pretty much the same.

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Before that it was YouTube.

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Now it's TikTok, but it's just the idea
that kids are exposed to ideas and people,

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well beyond their own home,
their own community, internationally.

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that allows them to learn about new things
and expand their world,

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but it also exposes them to a certain
amount of risk that, we want to make sure

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that they're aware of and their parents
are aware of as well, too,

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with the idea that technology itself
isn't necessarily bad or evil.

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That there's, there's risks
that comes with it, but it can be used for

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something many things that that are very,
very positive.

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And really, it's a fact of life, 
growing up.

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Yeah.

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If you're if you're a student, you need it

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to succeed in school, but then it's
also part of your social life.

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It's probably going to be
part of your career moving up.

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The latest thing has been AI,
which I don't think

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has quite really hit home with students
so much yet

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they're I think they're just starting
to learn about it.

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It's more of a thing for adults, but
we're starting to see more and more kids

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tip their toes into the water
and kind of experiment

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within the guidelines that we've provided.

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For sure. Sure.

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Brian, we're really lucky here
to have our 1 to 1 program

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for students to have Chromebooks.

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Can you just walk us through kind
of some of those safety parameters

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that are in place,

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that comes with those Chromebooks
while they're using them

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in our, in our district? Yeah.

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So I mean, the number one goal
is that knowing that we have to use

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a lot of technology in education,
whether that's, you know, assessments

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or access to curriculum or anything else.

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We wanted to make sure
that every kid starts at a level platform

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so that they have a device that does
what they need, and it works reliably.

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So that's why we use Chromebooks that
are it's a very good universal device.

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The fact
that we give a device to students,

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and they're allowed to take them home

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and use them for homework and research
and other things.

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Also, some independent use
within our guidelines,

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we have to make sure that they're safe.

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So, the Chromebooks that we issue
are pretty well locked down.

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It's not the same as a Chromebook
you'd buy from Walmart or Best Buy.

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We have configured those
to restrict many, many things that,

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would allow them
to have more control over what they do.

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And where they go.

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So the device is locked down.

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The second thing that we do is that we do
monitor their accounts.

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They are provided email, to use
for academic purposes.

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And secondary students are allowed to use
the email beyond the school,

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and that is to allow them
to contact people

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that they may need
for a research project or,

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especially when they get into high school
colleges, universities.

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Yeah, employers.

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So that there is a reason for that.

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But due to that fact
that we give them a device, we give them

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internet access,
we have to provide security.

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We use a filtering
mechanism called securely.

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And that's a vendor that we employ.

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It provides
filtering for access to the internet.

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So if they try to go to sites
that we've deemed unsafe, they're blocked.

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It also monitors their use of email.

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Their use of, Google Drive,
which is where they store pictures and,

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and documents of their

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creating a writing project,
or they've stored pictures in their drive.

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We will monitor those to make sure
nothing inappropriate

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is showing up in their drive. Okay.

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So it we are watching, 
to the best of our ability.

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I would say it's been a very reliable,
good service to use.

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We we do get alerts on students
for unsafe behavior.

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And when those alerts happen, school
officials are notified,

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and then they can take action
and intervene when required.

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Sure.

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That that's something that we do
for parents to,

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to, I would say to ensure
that the device is safe.

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But the other thing I'd like to say is,
like when students are using the internet

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or any device, whether it's something
they use at home or our device,

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nothing is 100%.

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There is no filter
that works to 100% efficacy.

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And even if it's a service,
a parents are using something like bark

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or whatever at home, they shouldn't think
that it's, you know, I got this set up.

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I never have to be involved
in my child's life right? Right.

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We always emphasize that that there is
no substitute for parental involvement

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or parental supervision
when they're using technology.

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But for the devices that we send home,
that's probably the best that they could

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do. It's probably way better than what
most parents would set up themselves.

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Sure, sure.

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Brian, is there anything additional
that parents can do?

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With that securely on that Chromebook
to help kind of when they're,

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you know, when they're on our internet?

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My understanding is it's got like
one set of rules, but maybe at home,

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the Chromebook may act
a little bit differently.

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No, security is universal.

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Okay. There. On there,
that filtering is always.

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And, I know, in effect,
when they're on our network,

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we also have a firewall, but that applies
to all devices, whether they're

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trying to access our internet
or our Wi-Fi with their own device,

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whether they're logging into a lab
computer,

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whatever it is, the firewalls
they're doing that work okay.

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The security works 24/7 on
the Chromebooks, but only the Chromebooks,

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only we don't have it on lab computers
or obviously

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we don't have it on their phones.
Sure, sure.

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At the times
when they're allowed to use a phone

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and they access our Wi-Fi,
they will hit the firewall, sure,

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but we also offer parents access
to securely family.

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It's called securely parent access.

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And what that allows them to do
is actually get a detailed

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monitoring of what their child is doing.

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They can see what sites they visited.

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What's been blocked.

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They do have some more control
over the device at home.

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For example,
they can turn off the internet

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if they don't, that they feel that,

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you know,
the child is using the Chromebook too much

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or they're done with their homework
or they're

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they can literally go on the app
on their phone and say, turn off internet.

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It's sort of like a built in screen time
for that Chromebook if they wanted, if.

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They want to use that.

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And we, it's not set up automatically.

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They have to, contact us.

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It the instructions are on the web page,
and then we provide that access for them.

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So I think for those parents
that want that extra level of involvement,

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we do provide it.

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And it's also important to note
that that only works after school hours.

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It's not set up to work during school.

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And what we tell parents is while
they're at school, we have a firewall.

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We have securely we're monitoring,
we got that when they're at school.

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The minute they leave campus after hours,
they have the ability

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to restrict
or do other things with the Chromebook.

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So that makes sense. Yeah,
But I'm thinking of right.

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We've got Chromebooks
to kind of talk through that.

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Students
a lot of students have phones, right.

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And that's a lot of where they are
accessing just information.

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you make any recommendations for maybe

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some different types of monitoring?

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I don't know if we call it software
or monitoring apps,

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that families can use to kind of
have that conversation with their kids

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or put some safety guardrails up.

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Right.

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Well,
I think the most important thing to do

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is to have the conversations
with with the kids.

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And it seems like, well,
that's a no brainer.

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But you don't want to just
install some software, never sit down

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and talk to your children about why
and what's going on.

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There is real danger.

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That kids are exposed to.

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And it's not just, you know, you know,
I got hacked or,

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you know, I went to a website
that I wasn't supposed to go to.

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They're literally professional criminals
that target kids.

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If I was in, my kids were going up.

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Now, I would be sitting down and
having the conversation about sextortion.

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That's not a topic
a lot of parents want to talk about,

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but they have to understand
there are professional gangs that,

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that are organized, organized criminals
that are worldwide,

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that are targeting kids
and they the kids need to know that that.

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Yeah, you know,
it's all great that you want to interact

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with people,
maybe go on social media, whatever it is.

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Roblox or Tik Tok
or any of those types of things. But

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here's what
you should do when, when this happens.

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And this is okay. And this is not okay.

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I think that's incumbent
upon parents to sit down and say, look,

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you know, we're giving you advice,
but here's the expectation.

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We want to keep you safe.
And this is real.

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This happens that people may come and,

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approach you online and try and,
try and recruit you

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for really bad things
or try and steal information from you.

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I kind of think when I was growing up,
we didn't have phones.

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I'm dating myself there.

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But, you see, I'm,
you know, we did not have the internet.

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And they taught us about stranger danger.

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Sure, sure.

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You know, and it was it really sunk in.

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I was like, look, these were don't

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comes up to you and just wants to talk
to, you know, here's what you do. Yep.

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I think parents need to do that
with their kids.

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It's like, besides, you're saying, well,
that phones are bad, the internet is bad.

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Just don't use it
or I'm going to block everything.

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That's a failing strategy.

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I think the better strategy

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is to try and educate them
about the dangers and try and teach them

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what's what, what's real
and what what, they could face.

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And also

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what would be

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an appropriate or when,
when would you want to ask for help?

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And it's it's okay to ask for help.

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You know, I think they're shamed
into being silent a lot of times, too,

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because they went to inappropriate website
and they don't want to get in trouble.

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Right? It's not about that.
It's about keeping us safe.

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So, I that's one tip
I would definitely give to parents.

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Have the conversation.

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That's a good
take away of really talking through that.

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When is it time to get help, right?

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Like, when is it time to 
have an adult come into that conversation?

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I really like that.

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Well, and I think also

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some parents are intimidated, you know,
they don't, depending on their age or,

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kids are, very inquisitive
and they learn things very fast

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and they're also
uninhibited a lot of times by

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the idea of risk or danger.

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Right. And they'll just do things.

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And there may be things that adults
aren't sure about.

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Yeah. They're like, what is this?

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We'll have the conversation and find out,
you know, where they're going.

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What what social media platforms are they
and how are they interacting with

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other people?

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What games are they playing online?

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And, and learn more about it.

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And don't be, you know,
intimidated to the point where if

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if I don't know what it is, it's
automatically bad.

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But, that's a good place to start.

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Yeah, I can think of back
when my kids wanted to be on Snapchat.

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Yeah. I'll date myself.

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I didn't have Snapchat
when they were on there

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and felt like I needed to learn
how to do it, so me and a mom friend,

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we both downloaded it,
and we Snapchat each other

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until we figured it out
because, we felt really,

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kind of silly not knowing how to use it in
our kids were using it, but.

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Well, yeah.

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My wife found out that you could
actually track kids on Snapchat

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and actually use that as a primitive geo
monitoring method for a.

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Map. Right?

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The snap map,

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that's an example where we actually worked
to the benefit, you know,

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and then that also gave her a chance
to see what it was about.

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Yeah, maybe even,
you know, see what they were doing online,

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not trying to necessarily spy on them
so much, but also, you know, be a.

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Part of of what they're,
what they're engaging.

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And, Brian, do you think I know we have
some digital curriculum or digital?

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I'm not saying that. Right.

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Digital citizenship.

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Thank you.

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What it's called, basically, yeah.

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It's our way of trying to teach kids

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about being safe online
and what's appropriate.

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What's what's not appropriate.

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And, it it's very important
because it also extends

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to their lives with the phones
beyond what we do in the school district.

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Right.
Because we do talk about social media.

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We do talk about texting.

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We do talk about things that we don't
necessarily provide to them.

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Sure. We don't pretend that
those things don't exist.

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They're real.

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And, you know, they really need to hear it
from multiple sources.

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They need to hear it from trusted adults.

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They need to hear from a teacher
that they trust, their friends, hopefully.

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But also their parents. Yeah.

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That it's the idea that, you know,
whatever you do right now online,

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I think kids have stuff to understand
that's going to follow them.

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That's one of the big messages is that,
they're going to make mistakes.

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But hopefully

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they have enough people around them
to support them and that can help them.

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But also think twice
before you do something, create it.

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Yeah.

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They create something or post something
and, you know, it can lead down avenues

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that aren't so good
in terms of cyberbullying or like

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I mentioned before, the sextortion thing
or other things like that.

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So the more we can talk about it
and make them aware of like, well,

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this is what normal is and this is what,

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is questionable and and not good.

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And please don't do this right.

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Just like everything else, we try to
educate them about drugs and alcohol and,

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you know, no alcohol is is part
of becoming an adult in this society.

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And, it's
not like we can teach them how to drink,

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but we can teach them
what the risks are about that obviously,

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driving, you know, for example,
he had a drive.

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But how do we, you know, educate kids
about being safe?

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Their, I think the digital citizenship
is acknowledging the fact that

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what they do online is,
is very consequential to them and their,

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their mental health, their well-being, 
and sometimes their physical safety.

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And we have to do something,
to teach them about it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Brian, is there anything you want to share

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that you thought I'd ask that I didn't
didn't ask you about? No.

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Like I say, I just, I, I always like it

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when parents reach out and they want to,
know more about what we're doing.

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So I think this is a good thing
to try and get the message out to parents.

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And I think you mentioned it before, too,
as parents kind of bond together

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and, and find, you know, support from,
you know, each other

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and like, well,
what is this Snapchat about or TikTok.

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Is it really bad or what is what is
the newest thing I should my kid be using?

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I is it you know they're
they're interacting with the chat bot.

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Is that normal?

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Those things are great.

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There's a lot of good resources.

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You know, we used, Common Sense Media.

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There's still kind of the go to
we recommend for parents.

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Okay. More information.

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And then, of course,
they can also reach out to the school

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district to, you know, parents
ask us all the time about monitoring.

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We can help with the monitoring
in our device.

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But I also let parents know that, it's
more than just trying to find a service

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that you think
is going to block everything,

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because if you have the mentality

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that you're just going to try and block
all the bad things

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and constantly try and block things,
they'll find a way around.

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Yes, they.

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Are very in and, ingenious.

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I guess, when it comes to this.

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And, the internet is a great way to spread
ideas about how to defeat filtering.

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So, you know, it's almost establishing
that trust with the,

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with the, with the child
and understanding the parameters of,

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you know, the limits of what
we give you, this phone or this access.

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Here's what we expect.

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Here's what happens when it doesn't,
knowing what the good options are.

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If they do want to do some monitoring.

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we don't recommend specifically

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things for their private devices,
but we can help.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we can put some of those links,

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in these show notes
to, of just different options.

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Maybe that are out there for, for families
to, to review.

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Well, Brian,
thank you so much for joining us.

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This was really enlightening
and I just appreciate the opportunity

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to have the conversation and
what you have done to champion digital.

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Safety and digital citizenship
in our district.

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And, and all the work that you and
your team do to keep our kids safe online.

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Thanks. Hey, I appreciate it.

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Thanks for having me.
It was nice to talk about it.

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