WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.975 --> 00:00:09.376 Okay. 2 00:00:09.376 --> 00:00:10.110 Good afternoon. 3 00:00:10.110 --> 00:00:13.346 I would like to call the city today 4 00:00:13.346 --> 00:00:17.283 the March 28th meeting of the Finance Committee meeting to order. 5 00:00:18.118 --> 00:00:20.987 Mrs. Sikka is on vacation and will not be here, 6 00:00:20.987 --> 00:00:23.990 so I will be chairing the meeting in her place. 7 00:00:24.457 --> 00:00:27.460 Before we get started, 8 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:30.597 Mr. Roso is joining us this evening to fill in 9 00:00:30.597 --> 00:00:33.333 for a board member vacancy on the committee. 10 00:00:33.333 --> 00:00:36.836 So I would just ask for a motion to approve his participation 11 00:00:36.836 --> 00:00:39.472 on the committee. 12 00:00:39.472 --> 00:00:42.575 This is Terry Singh, and I'll make a motion for Mr. 13 00:00:42.575 --> 00:00:45.578 Rizzo to join today's Finance Committee meeting. 14 00:00:47.213 --> 00:00:49.149 In a second motion. 15 00:00:49.149 --> 00:00:50.350 Thank you. 16 00:00:50.350 --> 00:00:52.285 All in favor, say I. 17 00:00:52.285 --> 00:00:55.288 I. Any opposed? 18 00:00:55.355 --> 00:00:56.322 Thank you, Mr. 19 00:00:56.322 --> 00:00:58.591 Rizzo. 20 00:00:58.591 --> 00:01:01.561 We will just go around the room 21 00:01:01.895 --> 00:01:05.765 to do a roll call, starting with folks here in person, 22 00:01:05.765 --> 00:01:08.768 and then we can do those joining us virtually. 23 00:01:09.035 --> 00:01:11.004 So Lindsay Drew, school board director. 24 00:01:12.872 --> 00:01:15.275 Mike Rizzo, School Board Director. 25 00:01:15.275 --> 00:01:17.777 Terry Singer, School Board. 26 00:01:17.777 --> 00:01:19.612 Bridget Borrowing Administration. 27 00:01:19.612 --> 00:01:21.815 Michelle Agee Board Secretary. 28 00:01:21.815 --> 00:01:24.651 Cheryl Purcell Business Manager. 29 00:01:24.651 --> 00:01:27.654 Stacy Winslow Superintendent. 30 00:01:28.788 --> 00:01:31.958 And how about those attending virtually. 31 00:01:34.794 --> 00:01:36.096 I think it's just Mr. 32 00:01:36.096 --> 00:01:37.230 Latham. 33 00:01:37.230 --> 00:01:37.430 Yeah. 34 00:01:37.430 --> 00:01:40.433 Paul Latham sits and advisor. 35 00:01:41.434 --> 00:01:44.437 Good afternoon. 36 00:01:46.506 --> 00:01:47.040 Okay. 37 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.343 The first item of business is the approval 38 00:01:50.343 --> 00:01:53.313 of the summary minutes from February's meeting 39 00:01:54.547 --> 00:01:56.850 are attached to the agenda. 40 00:01:56.850 --> 00:01:59.552 Did anyone have any comments before I'd ask for a motion 41 00:01:59.552 --> 00:02:02.555 to approve 42 00:02:06.292 --> 00:02:06.659 hearing? 43 00:02:06.659 --> 00:02:06.960 None. 44 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:10.130 Is there a motion to approve the minutes from February 45 00:02:11.131 --> 00:02:14.100 Finance Committee. 46 00:02:15.201 --> 00:02:16.703 Motion to approve the minutes? 47 00:02:16.703 --> 00:02:19.706 Terry Singer. Second, Mike Rizzo. 48 00:02:20.106 --> 00:02:22.242 Any discussion? 49 00:02:22.242 --> 00:02:24.477 All those in favor say I. I. 50 00:02:24.477 --> 00:02:26.112 Any opposed. 51 00:02:26.112 --> 00:02:27.981 The minutes are approved. 52 00:02:27.981 --> 00:02:30.717 There is no unfinished business for today's meeting, 53 00:02:30.717 --> 00:02:32.552 so we will move into new business. 54 00:02:32.552 --> 00:02:38.591 The first item monthly update of the 2122 General fund revenues and expenses. 55 00:02:38.591 --> 00:02:39.292 Mrs. Purcell. 56 00:02:40.527 --> 00:02:43.897 So what I have tonight altogether 57 00:02:43.897 --> 00:02:47.233 is really a look at where we are now, where we are current year to date, 58 00:02:48.001 --> 00:02:51.137 some projections for a revenue budget 59 00:02:51.137 --> 00:02:54.140 and some requested 60 00:02:55.575 --> 00:02:58.845 expense from the expense side of things requested by department. 61 00:02:58.845 --> 00:03:00.213 So I want to go through that a little bit. 62 00:03:00.213 --> 00:03:03.082 This and I don't believe this has been 63 00:03:03.082 --> 00:03:06.553 brought forward to you in this manner before as far as just the requested. 64 00:03:06.753 --> 00:03:08.021 So why I'm doing this, you know, 65 00:03:08.021 --> 00:03:11.024 being new, it's something I wanted to do and just go through. 66 00:03:11.257 --> 00:03:12.592 We're having department meetings. 67 00:03:12.592 --> 00:03:14.928 We're going to be meeting as an administrative team. 68 00:03:14.928 --> 00:03:20.333 Then prior to the April 25th meeting, which is when we will bring forward 69 00:03:20.333 --> 00:03:24.871 a proposed final budget options and have some conversations at that meeting. But 70 00:03:25.872 --> 00:03:26.339 and then as 71 00:03:26.339 --> 00:03:29.342 but as an administrative team following all the budget meetings, 72 00:03:29.375 --> 00:03:33.346 I really believe it's important to have the administration hear 73 00:03:33.346 --> 00:03:36.616 what's in all of our budgets, understand it, get a good idea. 74 00:03:37.116 --> 00:03:38.084 You know, I, 75 00:03:38.084 --> 00:03:40.420 I can help manage the direction of the budget, 76 00:03:40.420 --> 00:03:42.155 but I do feel it's administration's 77 00:03:42.155 --> 00:03:45.158 and everybody's responsibility from operations and curriculum. 78 00:03:45.225 --> 00:03:47.227 You know, everything that we want to see in the budget 79 00:03:47.227 --> 00:03:50.230 so that over the next several weeks is really where we're going to head. 80 00:03:50.230 --> 00:03:52.031 I just want to highlight 81 00:03:52.031 --> 00:03:54.867 a few things of where we are tonight, some things that I'm seeing. 82 00:03:54.867 --> 00:03:59.038 You know what I really want to take a deeper dive into over the next month 83 00:03:59.038 --> 00:04:02.275 and make sure we get good clarity and have good direction going forward. 84 00:04:03.776 --> 00:04:06.779 So that said, let's see, 85 00:04:06.946 --> 00:04:09.148 this first sheet is is a summary sheet 86 00:04:09.148 --> 00:04:13.052 of the last few years and you'll see my proposed final budget right there. 87 00:04:13.052 --> 00:04:17.056 And that's there's a very proposed preliminary a number. 88 00:04:17.056 --> 00:04:19.325 It's just where we are right now. 89 00:04:19.325 --> 00:04:21.995 But I do want if we turn the next page to the revenue 90 00:04:21.995 --> 00:04:24.998 side, 91 00:04:25.798 --> 00:04:27.600 we've talked a little bit more about revenues. 92 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.570 We spent some time on it last month 93 00:04:31.871 --> 00:04:33.439 and some of the options, 94 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.075 some of the things that we're seeing on the revenue side of things. 95 00:04:36.075 --> 00:04:38.378 First on the local revenues. 96 00:04:38.378 --> 00:04:41.414 So this budget and you can see some of the assumptions. 97 00:04:41.414 --> 00:04:44.450 So I assumed a 0% increase on taxes. 98 00:04:44.450 --> 00:04:46.552 So right now that's a zero. That'll be a conversation. 99 00:04:46.552 --> 00:04:49.022 That's part of the April 25th meeting. 100 00:04:49.022 --> 00:04:51.557 So the 0%. But why it's higher than 101 00:04:52.892 --> 00:04:55.461 than it was in the current year is because of the growth. 102 00:04:55.461 --> 00:04:58.765 And we talked a little bit about that last month prior to April 25th. 103 00:04:58.765 --> 00:05:02.869 I'll reach out to the county and get a new updated tax roll 104 00:05:03.169 --> 00:05:06.005 just to make sure that we're getting all the dollars into the budget 105 00:05:06.005 --> 00:05:09.876 so that we really know what went zero one 2%. 106 00:05:09.876 --> 00:05:12.879 You know, we'll look like going forward as far as increase. 107 00:05:13.012 --> 00:05:17.450 So again, this number, this number here has a no increase in it for right now. 108 00:05:18.184 --> 00:05:21.187 All the other numbers really are pretty 109 00:05:22.021 --> 00:05:24.390 similar to where they were this year. 110 00:05:24.390 --> 00:05:25.458 Rebounding a little bit. 111 00:05:25.458 --> 00:05:29.696 If you look back, you can see I cut off 18, 19, but prior 112 00:05:29.962 --> 00:05:32.965 a lot of these numbers really are back to pre-pandemic 113 00:05:33.333 --> 00:05:35.735 revenue collections. 114 00:05:35.735 --> 00:05:39.172 The only area that you'll see in that payment 115 00:05:39.172 --> 00:05:42.875 in lieu of current taxes where I say no is CDA pilot. 116 00:05:43.343 --> 00:05:45.244 That one is still on the 117 00:05:47.647 --> 00:05:49.482 still has a question mark by now. Dr. 118 00:05:49.482 --> 00:05:54.687 Winslow and I do have a meeting scheduled that we're going to be meeting with h.r. 119 00:05:54.687 --> 00:05:59.559 Two to talk about what their thoughts on the future of the pilot payment. 120 00:05:59.559 --> 00:06:02.795 So we will have that coming forward for the next finance meeting. 121 00:06:02.795 --> 00:06:04.897 So that meeting is later in april. 122 00:06:04.897 --> 00:06:07.100 They had said to give them through the end of march 123 00:06:07.100 --> 00:06:08.901 and let them get their numbers together 124 00:06:08.901 --> 00:06:11.904 as to what the hotel taxes are looking like. 125 00:06:12.138 --> 00:06:15.141 So I can share, I'm sure 126 00:06:15.141 --> 00:06:19.145 the county commissioners, the township, as well as the district, 127 00:06:19.345 --> 00:06:24.450 we're going to try and put as nicely nice pressure on them to that. 128 00:06:24.450 --> 00:06:26.886 We have an expectation that we get the full pilot back. 129 00:06:26.886 --> 00:06:30.690 They won't go back and fill backfill what we didn't get for the last two years. 130 00:06:30.723 --> 00:06:32.091 So we want to make sure that we are 131 00:06:33.393 --> 00:06:35.962 pushing a little bit to say, you know, okay, we're back. 132 00:06:35.962 --> 00:06:38.064 What's the plans for next year? 133 00:06:38.064 --> 00:06:38.498 So it's 134 00:06:38.498 --> 00:06:41.501 but until we know that I didn't want to I didn't want to put anything in here 135 00:06:42.769 --> 00:06:44.637 again, we'll know better 136 00:06:44.637 --> 00:06:48.508 by the end of April or at least you know, and then we can have that conversation. 137 00:06:48.508 --> 00:06:51.744 What does the board feel comfortable with from a from a position from what we hear? 138 00:06:55.181 --> 00:06:58.184 Again, I don't see anything else really 139 00:06:58.985 --> 00:07:01.654 changing a whole lot in our 140 00:07:01.654 --> 00:07:03.489 local revenues. 141 00:07:03.489 --> 00:07:05.591 State revenue, 142 00:07:05.591 --> 00:07:06.993 if you go down to state mean. 143 00:07:06.993 --> 00:07:11.964 Can I just ask a question real quick about the local looking at year to date 144 00:07:12.064 --> 00:07:15.701 for the 2122 budget compared to obviously 145 00:07:15.701 --> 00:07:19.906 where at 101.7% and that's increase, 146 00:07:21.641 --> 00:07:24.210 where would the like $600,000 147 00:07:24.210 --> 00:07:27.580 that's been collected above budget come in? 148 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:28.114 Is that 149 00:07:30.483 --> 00:07:32.552 that would have been 150 00:07:32.552 --> 00:07:35.588 and and a lot of times that comes in through interim taxes 151 00:07:36.656 --> 00:07:41.594 but it could have been if it didn't make the tax roll before we budgeted last year. 152 00:07:41.594 --> 00:07:43.396 I'm not sure what number was budgeted. 153 00:07:43.396 --> 00:07:46.199 But if the tax roll. Of appraised values increased. 154 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.603 Or decreased asset value, right, if the number that was used in the budget 155 00:07:50.603 --> 00:07:53.973 last year was early and there was because I'll usually do another 156 00:07:53.973 --> 00:07:57.009 tax roll at the county level just to make sure they've got everything. 157 00:07:57.009 --> 00:08:01.147 So there could have been additions at the county level that were in the 71 158 00:08:01.681 --> 00:08:05.017 taxes that went out that weren't in what 159 00:08:05.017 --> 00:08:08.754 the school district counted on, because there's always that change. 160 00:08:08.754 --> 00:08:10.456 They're always trying to get as much in, which is good. 161 00:08:10.456 --> 00:08:11.190 They trying you know, 162 00:08:11.190 --> 00:08:13.793 they try and get as much into that before they print those bills. 163 00:08:13.793 --> 00:08:16.262 Right. And obviously, the amusement tax is 164 00:08:18.331 --> 00:08:19.031 returning. 165 00:08:19.031 --> 00:08:22.134 So, you know, we had conservatively budgeted for that worry 166 00:08:22.134 --> 00:08:24.403 that it wasn't going to come back strongly enough. 167 00:08:24.403 --> 00:08:27.607 And we're at 145%. Right. 168 00:08:27.607 --> 00:08:30.643 So I really think that that number can even go higher against 169 00:08:30.676 --> 00:08:32.845 and a little conservative at this point in time. 170 00:08:32.845 --> 00:08:34.046 But we'll keep watching it. 171 00:08:34.046 --> 00:08:35.047 There will be another month. 172 00:08:35.047 --> 00:08:38.050 I have seen I mean, the amusement tax, the hotel tax 173 00:08:38.084 --> 00:08:41.087 is actually well, the hotel, but 174 00:08:42.221 --> 00:08:43.789 they're back to pre-pandemic levels. 175 00:08:43.789 --> 00:08:45.391 So everything really is on track. 176 00:08:45.391 --> 00:08:48.494 So, you know, if we if we looked at that line 177 00:08:48.494 --> 00:08:51.497 and want to take that 178 00:08:52.131 --> 00:08:53.232 could go back to other years. 179 00:08:53.232 --> 00:08:56.702 It wasn't I guess 2021 was obviously was not a good year. 180 00:08:57.303 --> 00:09:00.306 It was at 1.4 in 1819. 181 00:09:01.207 --> 00:09:04.844 You know, so we could possibly but, you know, most likely 182 00:09:04.844 --> 00:09:09.615 take that 1.1 million up to a 1.4 or five, depending on the strength of 183 00:09:11.417 --> 00:09:13.452 the next couple of months 184 00:09:13.452 --> 00:09:15.521 in this. Remember, this is as of to 28. 185 00:09:15.521 --> 00:09:19.325 So there you know, there will definitely be more coming. 186 00:09:22.061 --> 00:09:25.064 Could you explain what the admissions line is? 187 00:09:25.698 --> 00:09:28.868 Admissions is gate revenue Okay. Or 188 00:09:30.903 --> 00:09:32.371 anything else we would charge for? 189 00:09:32.371 --> 00:09:32.738 I did not 190 00:09:32.738 --> 00:09:36.142 look at the detail, but that's typically what that would be in that line item. 191 00:09:36.409 --> 00:09:39.145 Okay. Thank you. 192 00:09:39.145 --> 00:09:44.116 And yeah, so I'd just move quickly past local anything else on local revenues. 193 00:09:44.483 --> 00:09:47.486 And what is fees then? 194 00:09:47.520 --> 00:09:49.956 Fees are 195 00:09:49.956 --> 00:09:52.291 things we would charge students, I guess parking. 196 00:09:52.291 --> 00:09:54.126 I'm thinking back to some of my past. 197 00:09:54.126 --> 00:09:55.595 I did not look into details of parking. 198 00:09:55.595 --> 00:09:58.731 So so internal to our our students. 199 00:09:58.998 --> 00:09:59.498 Sounds like it's. 200 00:09:59.498 --> 00:10:02.501 Student Yeah, it's student charge fees 201 00:10:03.469 --> 00:10:04.103 that should be 202 00:10:07.106 --> 00:10:09.008 which I thought actually looking at 93. 203 00:10:09.008 --> 00:10:10.576 So there's things I definitely as I'm 204 00:10:10.576 --> 00:10:12.878 pulling these numbers together, do you have questions in my mind 205 00:10:12.878 --> 00:10:16.983 just for lack of time and getting up to speed on everything? 206 00:10:16.983 --> 00:10:21.120 I really do want to go back and look heavy at some of this detail because it 207 00:10:22.321 --> 00:10:24.957 I think, Terry, to your point, that is a little high in my mind 208 00:10:24.957 --> 00:10:26.058 from a couple of years ago. 209 00:10:26.058 --> 00:10:29.395 So I want to make sure that we're getting things in the right bucket, 210 00:10:29.395 --> 00:10:32.398 so to speak. 211 00:10:41.073 --> 00:10:44.076 Anything else on local? 212 00:10:48.848 --> 00:10:50.116 We go to state. 213 00:10:50.116 --> 00:10:53.119 I think the biggest thing I can say from state is still the 214 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:56.255 that the governor's budget. 215 00:10:56.255 --> 00:10:57.523 What's going to happen with it. 216 00:10:57.523 --> 00:10:58.124 I mean they 217 00:10:58.124 --> 00:11:01.160 when it was originally proposed, I mean, we're looking at almost 218 00:11:01.160 --> 00:11:04.296 a 30% increase, which everyone is saying do not put that in, 219 00:11:06.065 --> 00:11:07.133 but expect something. 220 00:11:07.133 --> 00:11:09.635 So I know what a lot of districts are doing is 221 00:11:09.635 --> 00:11:13.406 is building in the percent increase that they received a year ago. 222 00:11:13.406 --> 00:11:15.341 So that's what this represents. 223 00:11:15.341 --> 00:11:18.544 So if we were to actually and I can tell you for the basic 224 00:11:18.544 --> 00:11:21.881 and this goes for basic ED funding and the special education funding, 225 00:11:21.881 --> 00:11:25.384 those two lines items, those come directly from from the governor. 226 00:11:25.651 --> 00:11:29.055 And I think last year these were actually budgeted a little bit low. 227 00:11:29.055 --> 00:11:33.092 So, for instance, basic ED funding, I think this year we're like about 3.2 228 00:11:34.193 --> 00:11:36.629 and special ed is a little higher than that 1.5. 229 00:11:36.629 --> 00:11:39.031 And it's always sometimes, I guess, because the governor's budget, 230 00:11:39.031 --> 00:11:43.803 a lot of time has passed after the school district lands on its final budget. 231 00:11:44.303 --> 00:11:47.673 So the timing of it is is a little questionable at times. 232 00:11:48.841 --> 00:11:49.809 So I'm going to keep looking at that. 233 00:11:49.809 --> 00:11:53.179 I'm not you know, I'll keep listening to what our 234 00:11:54.213 --> 00:11:55.181 our paths go. 235 00:11:55.181 --> 00:11:56.916 That's who we really rely on. 236 00:11:56.916 --> 00:11:58.718 You know, school officials who are really up there 237 00:11:58.718 --> 00:12:01.387 and talking to the legislators and getting a better feel for 238 00:12:01.387 --> 00:12:04.156 where is this headed, You know, what do they really see? 239 00:12:04.156 --> 00:12:07.293 Where the where is the governor going to land on this or it's not really 240 00:12:07.560 --> 00:12:08.060 the governor. 241 00:12:08.060 --> 00:12:10.262 The governor is proposing move, but he's going out. 242 00:12:10.262 --> 00:12:11.897 So businesses, 243 00:12:11.897 --> 00:12:13.766 this is his gift to everybody on his way out 244 00:12:13.766 --> 00:12:15.534 and everyone saying that's not going to happen. 245 00:12:15.534 --> 00:12:18.537 So it's just a matter of where it's going to fall in the middle. 246 00:12:18.904 --> 00:12:22.241 And it's been pretty ended up pretty flat the last couple of years. 247 00:12:22.675 --> 00:12:24.744 I actually did get some more money back in. 248 00:12:24.744 --> 00:12:27.646 I think they were able to to fund that line item a little bit more 249 00:12:28.881 --> 00:12:30.983 so that 10.5 and 8.7, those are pretty high 250 00:12:30.983 --> 00:12:33.986 because it had been historically running at 4% 251 00:12:34.453 --> 00:12:37.456 to two schools. 252 00:12:37.757 --> 00:12:38.491 So and again, 253 00:12:38.491 --> 00:12:42.261 that was just looking back to the increase from two years ago to what it was. 254 00:12:42.261 --> 00:12:45.264 So that that's subject to change 255 00:12:45.664 --> 00:12:47.633 right now. This revenue is showing. 256 00:12:47.633 --> 00:12:51.537 So the two things, the Social Security Basic and Social Security, that piece 257 00:12:51.537 --> 00:12:56.642 that 1.192 as well as the last nine, the state share retirement contributions, 258 00:12:56.942 --> 00:13:02.114 those strictly are 50% of so when we budget and we'll look at that 259 00:13:02.114 --> 00:13:03.949 a little bit later the salary and benefits. 260 00:13:03.949 --> 00:13:08.254 So when we pay 100% of the expense, 261 00:13:08.254 --> 00:13:11.257 which is your Social Security and Medicare 262 00:13:11.357 --> 00:13:15.528 and we pay 100% of the retirement, in return, we get 50% back. 263 00:13:15.528 --> 00:13:19.532 So this is just represents 50% of what we budget on the 264 00:13:20.666 --> 00:13:23.669 expense side, 265 00:13:25.171 --> 00:13:27.406 everything else is pretty standard. 266 00:13:27.406 --> 00:13:30.209 I will be meeting with 267 00:13:30.209 --> 00:13:32.278 Steve Bell, who is our director of transportation, 268 00:13:32.278 --> 00:13:35.047 just to double check that transportation subsidy. 269 00:13:35.047 --> 00:13:38.551 I did not change that at all, but that it doesn't change much, that it will be 270 00:13:39.618 --> 00:13:40.386 very minimal. 271 00:13:40.386 --> 00:13:43.389 If anything, 272 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:47.960 there's a line item 273 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.030 two, line 47, which is a state property tax reduction allocation. 274 00:13:51.030 --> 00:13:53.132 That is the 275 00:13:53.132 --> 00:13:56.769 that comes straight from PTC. 276 00:13:56.769 --> 00:14:00.573 They will give us that number in April-May some time. 277 00:14:00.573 --> 00:14:02.308 I think we get that in April. 278 00:14:02.308 --> 00:14:04.710 So right now you can see it doesn't change much. 279 00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:07.079 It'll be 60, 70 something. 280 00:14:07.079 --> 00:14:10.082 So for now, 281 00:14:11.884 --> 00:14:13.452 there's not a whole lot we can do for state. 282 00:14:13.452 --> 00:14:16.455 Any questions on state revenue, 283 00:14:22.061 --> 00:14:23.095 federal, 284 00:14:23.095 --> 00:14:26.165 we go down to that title one, two, three, four. 285 00:14:26.165 --> 00:14:30.169 Those are just our actual allocations for 2122. 286 00:14:31.170 --> 00:14:34.306 We will we have not they have not opened up yet for next year. 287 00:14:34.306 --> 00:14:35.174 So I don't know. 288 00:14:35.174 --> 00:14:36.775 Typically they'll be in that ballpark. 289 00:14:36.775 --> 00:14:38.878 So again, it's 290 00:14:38.878 --> 00:14:42.381 always fallen on just budget what you have for the current year 291 00:14:42.681 --> 00:14:44.783 and that's why it's a little bit different than what you see 292 00:14:44.783 --> 00:14:47.786 because again, sometimes those numbers come in late, 293 00:14:48.520 --> 00:14:51.156 but the numbers that you're seeing there are where we're at prior 294 00:14:51.156 --> 00:14:54.159 to any funding adjustments, which they're late on that to. 295 00:14:56.528 --> 00:14:58.964 And I know you've spent some time talking about the Esser 296 00:14:58.964 --> 00:15:01.700 so that other CARES Act funding that is the Esser three. 297 00:15:01.700 --> 00:15:06.105 So that's the third allocation of the federal CARES Act. 298 00:15:06.238 --> 00:15:08.574 So the American Rescue Plan, 299 00:15:08.574 --> 00:15:11.577 our total was 300 00:15:12.211 --> 00:15:12.878 over 4 million. 301 00:15:12.878 --> 00:15:16.649 So that 2.19 through there is represents the 50%. 302 00:15:16.649 --> 00:15:19.952 So we have planned as a district to spend half of it 303 00:15:19.952 --> 00:15:23.222 in the 2223 year 304 00:15:23.222 --> 00:15:26.458 and the remaining 50% in the 2324. 305 00:15:26.458 --> 00:15:29.461 It all has to be spent by September of 24. 306 00:15:30.062 --> 00:15:33.632 So where we will do 5050 and that is going to be spent on them 307 00:15:33.699 --> 00:15:35.434 to offset some salary increases. 308 00:15:39.939 --> 00:15:42.942 Cheryl, the title one and two, 309 00:15:44.376 --> 00:15:47.379 the year to date versus budget. 310 00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:49.882 It's always a reimbursement. 311 00:15:49.882 --> 00:15:50.549 We pay. 312 00:15:50.549 --> 00:15:52.084 It's just a matter of timing. 313 00:15:52.084 --> 00:15:54.086 It's timing, it's salaries. 314 00:15:54.086 --> 00:15:57.923 So till we submit and they reimburse, that's that's really all that is. 315 00:15:57.990 --> 00:15:59.091 Okay, thank you. 316 00:15:59.091 --> 00:16:02.094 It's on a schedule, but it's always late 317 00:16:03.862 --> 00:16:05.397 and that's a that's an easy one. 318 00:16:05.397 --> 00:16:06.165 That's a given. 319 00:16:06.165 --> 00:16:08.901 There's not been any questionable 320 00:16:08.901 --> 00:16:10.970 timing as far as you know, 321 00:16:10.970 --> 00:16:13.973 when or if we get those that money back. 322 00:16:14.273 --> 00:16:15.741 And same with the CARES Act. 323 00:16:15.741 --> 00:16:18.744 Answer two. Yes 324 00:16:27.553 --> 00:16:29.822 and the other on the other part of revenue. 325 00:16:29.822 --> 00:16:33.392 Then and this will again be a conversation board discussion 326 00:16:33.826 --> 00:16:35.527 at the end of April as we go forward. 327 00:16:35.527 --> 00:16:37.563 If we look down to the other section 328 00:16:37.563 --> 00:16:41.433 and the really big part or that driver is that permanent fund trust 329 00:16:42.468 --> 00:16:45.537 permanent fund transfers, rather, which is the Milton Hershey Trust. 330 00:16:45.537 --> 00:16:49.141 So as we've been talking, it will look to be this current year. 331 00:16:49.141 --> 00:16:52.277 Why it's so high, the 3.06 to 332 00:16:53.012 --> 00:16:56.015 that is 7% of the trust balance 333 00:16:56.415 --> 00:16:59.418 as calculated by Fulton Bank. 334 00:16:59.952 --> 00:17:03.856 This 2.287 is an estimate of what 5% would look like. 335 00:17:04.089 --> 00:17:05.691 So that will be a conversation. 336 00:17:05.691 --> 00:17:07.326 Do we do four or five? 337 00:17:07.326 --> 00:17:09.962 So when we bring the proposed final budget forward. 338 00:17:09.962 --> 00:17:13.232 So again, at the April meeting, we'll kind of come out of that with 339 00:17:13.399 --> 00:17:14.767 how do we want to build that proposed 340 00:17:14.767 --> 00:17:18.003 final knowing that things can change until the final in June. 341 00:17:18.003 --> 00:17:21.006 But we will have a board vote May 9th 342 00:17:21.040 --> 00:17:23.909 on the proposed final budget. 343 00:17:23.909 --> 00:17:26.779 So coming out of that, so up to two more votes at night, 344 00:17:26.779 --> 00:17:31.183 one will be the proposed final, the other one will be as a board just to 345 00:17:33.285 --> 00:17:34.453 have everybody in favor 346 00:17:34.453 --> 00:17:37.456 of what that percent request from the bank will be. 347 00:17:37.556 --> 00:17:41.126 And then I've been talking to our advisors from Fulton. 348 00:17:41.427 --> 00:17:42.094 We will just kind of 349 00:17:42.094 --> 00:17:43.429 let them know coming out of that meeting 350 00:17:43.429 --> 00:17:46.098 they will be able to do their work on their end. 351 00:17:46.098 --> 00:17:49.334 And that number like that 2.2 million to 87, 352 00:17:49.334 --> 00:17:51.236 that was just our estimate they will take. 353 00:17:51.236 --> 00:17:54.239 What they do is as of March 31st, 354 00:17:54.373 --> 00:17:57.443 they do cut off a hard cut off on their end 355 00:17:57.443 --> 00:18:01.814 and then they will do the four or 5% calculation minus fees or whatever, 356 00:18:01.847 --> 00:18:04.850 whatever they do, they will let us know what that number is 357 00:18:06.585 --> 00:18:07.152 for sure. 358 00:18:07.152 --> 00:18:11.290 So I'll get a better number from her to what that number might look like. 359 00:18:12.791 --> 00:18:15.494 But again, that was the number they gave us last month. 360 00:18:15.494 --> 00:18:16.595 So just as an estimate. 361 00:18:17.896 --> 00:18:20.899 So again, that's those are kind of where 362 00:18:21.333 --> 00:18:24.303 some thoughts on what the revenue side might look like. 363 00:18:24.303 --> 00:18:26.238 We'll keep watching it make those changes. 364 00:18:26.238 --> 00:18:29.942 You know, if we see things like that or things going south, state, 365 00:18:30.142 --> 00:18:33.145 whatever, we you know, whatever we see, we've got time to make those changes. 366 00:18:37.649 --> 00:18:40.652 Anything else from a revenue standpoint. 367 00:18:52.865 --> 00:18:55.367 Before we go forward into the expenses? 368 00:18:55.367 --> 00:18:57.236 I do just want to note, Mrs. 369 00:18:57.236 --> 00:18:59.571 Agee, for the minutes that Mr. 370 00:18:59.571 --> 00:19:02.574 DAVIES, our citizen advisor, has joined us. 371 00:19:10.415 --> 00:19:10.682 Okay. 372 00:19:10.682 --> 00:19:13.352 Well, I'm moving on to expenses. 373 00:19:13.352 --> 00:19:14.253 I don't. 374 00:19:14.253 --> 00:19:16.421 So that's the second part here. 375 00:19:16.421 --> 00:19:18.657 I don't want to spend a ton of time on this one 376 00:19:18.657 --> 00:19:20.893 because I do have I want to spend a little more time 377 00:19:20.893 --> 00:19:24.596 focused on the department, expenses broken out a little bit different. 378 00:19:24.963 --> 00:19:29.268 This spreadsheet is broken out by function, which is is high level, 379 00:19:30.102 --> 00:19:32.504 more programs and what what area of the budget. 380 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.975 I don't think this gives us a whole lot of good talking points 381 00:19:36.975 --> 00:19:40.512 or understanding of of what's in those or what's really driving the expenses. 382 00:19:40.746 --> 00:19:41.847 So I want to get to that slide. 383 00:19:41.847 --> 00:19:45.150 So again, this is this is just here for you every year 384 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:49.755 just to at least make sure we tie out and look at the 228 numbers. 385 00:19:50.122 --> 00:19:53.125 However, 386 00:19:54.092 --> 00:19:58.430 if we go to the next sheet, 387 00:19:59.464 --> 00:20:02.467 which I believe is 388 00:20:04.836 --> 00:20:07.839 the next item into the budget discussions. 389 00:20:08.207 --> 00:20:11.476 So the first one would be that department area requested budgets 390 00:20:13.879 --> 00:20:14.246 again. 391 00:20:14.246 --> 00:20:17.049 Now understand these are requested budgets. 392 00:20:17.049 --> 00:20:20.052 So I think some of the struggle 393 00:20:20.852 --> 00:20:23.155 for administration maybe not struggle, 394 00:20:23.155 --> 00:20:25.857 but coming out of COVID. 395 00:20:25.857 --> 00:20:28.860 So there's been a lot of two years ago, everything to intro 396 00:20:28.860 --> 00:20:33.165 March of 20, everything shut down so that that year didn't end normal. 397 00:20:33.332 --> 00:20:35.434 So the 2021 school year, I 398 00:20:36.802 --> 00:20:38.103 didn't know what that was going to look like. 399 00:20:38.103 --> 00:20:41.206 A lot of changes with programing and then kids in or out, 400 00:20:41.206 --> 00:20:44.209 you know, in-person out side. 401 00:20:44.343 --> 00:20:45.510 So that was a little bit different. 402 00:20:45.510 --> 00:20:50.582 So it's been a little hard for for fiscal 2122, the message to departments 403 00:20:50.716 --> 00:20:55.554 and administrators building their budgets was, you know, hold or cut 10%. 404 00:20:55.554 --> 00:20:56.822 I believe that's been shared with me. 405 00:20:56.822 --> 00:21:00.959 So a lot of the 2122 budgets were actually less than 406 00:21:02.594 --> 00:21:04.963 going back to two COVID years. 407 00:21:04.963 --> 00:21:07.966 So, you know, to pre-COVID, rather, and a lot, too, 408 00:21:08.467 --> 00:21:13.238 because 2021 with so much being virtual, there was a lot of leftover consumables. 409 00:21:13.238 --> 00:21:16.975 There's there are things in buildings that could be used that that were sitting. 410 00:21:16.975 --> 00:21:20.779 And so it really helped the budget absorb a lot of costs. 411 00:21:20.779 --> 00:21:21.680 It didn't have things. 412 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.082 It didn't have to be replaced in this current year. 413 00:21:24.082 --> 00:21:26.752 So now we get to 22, 23, which we're sitting here 414 00:21:26.752 --> 00:21:30.289 with 8% inflation costs skyrocketing. 415 00:21:30.289 --> 00:21:33.525 So people have done a really nice job of getting those quotes and everything. 416 00:21:33.525 --> 00:21:35.594 And but to replace a lot of 417 00:21:36.595 --> 00:21:37.429 what is now 418 00:21:37.429 --> 00:21:40.866 depleted, a lot of that, you know, those items are depleted really have to be 419 00:21:42.134 --> 00:21:43.335 replaced. 420 00:21:43.335 --> 00:21:45.671 So I think what I'm seeing 421 00:21:45.671 --> 00:21:49.508 in the 2223 in the conversations I've had to date, again will continue. 422 00:21:49.508 --> 00:21:52.511 Those. But it's really 423 00:21:52.678 --> 00:21:55.213 everything that stopped a lot of the professional development 424 00:21:55.213 --> 00:21:58.216 type requests, the trout, you know, the travel 425 00:21:59.618 --> 00:22:04.089 again, replacing consumables and just the expense of what things 426 00:22:04.089 --> 00:22:07.292 cost knowing we're all unfortunately, we're all we're all seeing it now. 427 00:22:07.292 --> 00:22:10.262 The revenues are not going to jump to match 428 00:22:10.696 --> 00:22:12.297 the climbing costs. 429 00:22:12.297 --> 00:22:13.999 So that's where we're going to need to do some balance. 430 00:22:13.999 --> 00:22:14.766 And this where I really think 431 00:22:14.766 --> 00:22:18.070 this administration conversations will be important will bring that forward 432 00:22:18.070 --> 00:22:21.907 to you and share as much at the April 25th of really, you know, 433 00:22:21.973 --> 00:22:25.043 why we made some of the decisions we made and this is where we're at. 434 00:22:25.043 --> 00:22:26.511 And then, you know, if there's any other, 435 00:22:26.511 --> 00:22:29.581 you know, board weigh in or thoughts or, you know, direction on some things. 436 00:22:30.148 --> 00:22:33.352 So these areas and I have another spreadsheet 437 00:22:33.352 --> 00:22:34.553 and we'll get into the salary benefits. 438 00:22:34.553 --> 00:22:36.922 There's a couple of areas I can touch on a little bit. 439 00:22:36.922 --> 00:22:40.625 Just things I'm seeing as we start to do some work, deeper work on it. 440 00:22:41.259 --> 00:22:43.261 But these are the department areas. So when 441 00:22:44.329 --> 00:22:47.332 we say department, send us your budget. 442 00:22:47.566 --> 00:22:50.802 These are the areas, these are principles, the directors, 443 00:22:50.802 --> 00:22:53.805 this is who's building our budgets. 444 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:58.143 Now, I will say so the business manager one and everything underneath 445 00:22:58.143 --> 00:23:01.980 it was everything that the business manager would have built out. 446 00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:05.150 So a lot of that debt service. 447 00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:07.552 So there's things on here that really we can't change. 448 00:23:07.552 --> 00:23:10.689 We don't have any we really don't have a choice with. 449 00:23:11.056 --> 00:23:14.226 When you're looking at debt and you're looking at 450 00:23:20.932 --> 00:23:22.033 things that are mandated. 451 00:23:22.033 --> 00:23:23.668 So we'll get to, again, get into salary benefit, 452 00:23:23.668 --> 00:23:25.437 a lot of that that's mandated by the contract. 453 00:23:25.437 --> 00:23:29.307 It's mandated by tax law, it's mandated by covering insurance costs. 454 00:23:29.307 --> 00:23:32.911 So a lot of salary benefits, which is our biggest driver of the budget. 455 00:23:33.645 --> 00:23:34.379 We can't change 456 00:23:35.580 --> 00:23:37.649 light owns like transportation 457 00:23:37.649 --> 00:23:40.352 that can't that can't change that's mandated by contract 458 00:23:40.352 --> 00:23:42.087 and the need to get kids where they need to get. 459 00:23:42.087 --> 00:23:45.824 So, you know, those costs are very limited. 460 00:23:46.158 --> 00:23:50.295 And and I will share I have something further to go on to tuition 461 00:23:50.295 --> 00:23:54.166 because I know that that's been you can see that line item number 27, line 462 00:23:54.166 --> 00:23:58.003 27 has really doubled in the last couple of years. 463 00:23:58.003 --> 00:24:01.373 And that's a factor of of outside placements and students 464 00:24:01.406 --> 00:24:06.111 not either not comfortable or realizing they're not comfortable coming back 465 00:24:06.111 --> 00:24:09.114 or just realizing they're more comfortable staying home. 466 00:24:10.215 --> 00:24:13.218 So those are some things that we're thinking, too. 467 00:24:13.819 --> 00:24:17.389 So that's the the biggest, I think, in the conversations 468 00:24:17.389 --> 00:24:19.524 we're going to need to continue to have to. 469 00:24:19.524 --> 00:24:21.927 And I know there a little bit of conversation 470 00:24:21.927 --> 00:24:23.929 about the state of food service. 471 00:24:23.929 --> 00:24:27.833 I mean, we're still waiting to hear if the funding is going to be there 472 00:24:27.833 --> 00:24:30.836 from a federal level because it's still, you know, free meals 473 00:24:30.902 --> 00:24:32.337 that could change significantly. 474 00:24:32.337 --> 00:24:34.940 Whatever happens with that will change significantly 475 00:24:35.941 --> 00:24:38.009 our foodservice operations and budget. 476 00:24:38.009 --> 00:24:41.079 So as a district, do, are we going to have to fund even 477 00:24:41.546 --> 00:24:42.147 beyond that? 478 00:24:42.147 --> 00:24:44.483 I just left the 150 and which is comparable 479 00:24:44.483 --> 00:24:46.384 to what's in the budget this year. 480 00:24:46.384 --> 00:24:48.386 We have not made that transfer yet. 481 00:24:48.386 --> 00:24:50.956 They've not needed it. We'll continue to watch it. 482 00:24:50.956 --> 00:24:54.593 That's there on that as if if needed kind of basis. 483 00:24:56.661 --> 00:25:00.432 But that food service transfer we we might need to step up 484 00:25:00.432 --> 00:25:03.435 more as a general fund and support 485 00:25:03.768 --> 00:25:06.771 operations in that area a little bit more. 486 00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:11.309 And then the cap reserve, again, that cap or reserve will be critical 487 00:25:11.776 --> 00:25:12.911 because we did 488 00:25:12.911 --> 00:25:16.381 we talked about a couple of months ago, the fund balance has has dropped off 489 00:25:16.381 --> 00:25:18.049 because we've taken some negatives and we haven't. 490 00:25:18.049 --> 00:25:19.918 As you can see, last year we did not fund 491 00:25:22.320 --> 00:25:24.122 cap reserve at all last year. 492 00:25:24.122 --> 00:25:26.558 So that fund balance is down to about 6 million, 493 00:25:26.558 --> 00:25:31.263 which when we're looking at a 120, $140 million potential building project, 494 00:25:31.730 --> 00:25:34.733 we definitely need to start beefing up that cap reserve. 495 00:25:36.902 --> 00:25:39.137 Ideally, if if we can even get more in that cap 496 00:25:39.137 --> 00:25:40.705 reserve line, you know, we do that. 497 00:25:40.705 --> 00:25:43.341 The one thing is once it's over there, 498 00:25:43.341 --> 00:25:45.310 then it has to be spent for cap reserve. 499 00:25:45.310 --> 00:25:49.314 But we just want to keep an eye on that, just that we do have significant 500 00:25:50.448 --> 00:25:52.050 capital reserve needs coming. 501 00:25:52.050 --> 00:25:56.187 So I think that line item needs to stay at a minimum at that million dollars. 502 00:25:58.023 --> 00:25:59.758 Can you address and maybe Dr. 503 00:25:59.758 --> 00:26:03.562 Winslow could can share to from the curriculum side 504 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:08.700 remind me why the budget was so low for curriculum in 505 00:26:09.768 --> 00:26:12.771 2122 compared to previous years? 506 00:26:12.771 --> 00:26:16.641 Because I think it would give it a false sense of increase. 507 00:26:18.043 --> 00:26:20.178 I told people they weren't allowed to buy anything. 508 00:26:20.178 --> 00:26:23.882 Okay, remember, the math books are in there, 509 00:26:23.882 --> 00:26:27.252 so that's 150 plus all the extras that go along with that. 510 00:26:28.553 --> 00:26:31.256 And I'm not Dr. 511 00:26:31.256 --> 00:26:34.259 and I have not met soon to be. 512 00:26:34.593 --> 00:26:35.093 Yeah. 513 00:26:35.093 --> 00:26:37.562 There was also no 514 00:26:37.562 --> 00:26:40.231 for 2122 we. 515 00:26:40.231 --> 00:26:42.434 Did allow people to attend some. 516 00:26:42.434 --> 00:26:47.038 Virtual conferences which would then just be the fee, 517 00:26:47.038 --> 00:26:47.939 which is, you know, 518 00:26:47.939 --> 00:26:50.075 and I and I told people they were not allowed to budget 519 00:26:50.075 --> 00:26:54.179 for anything that cost more than $250 unless it was an AP training. 520 00:26:55.013 --> 00:26:56.881 Those are always a little bit more expensive. 521 00:26:56.881 --> 00:26:59.851 There was no travel at all. 522 00:26:59.851 --> 00:27:02.020 So coming into this year. 523 00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:03.021 Returning to them or. 524 00:27:03.021 --> 00:27:06.791 Returning to travel and for example, AP conferences are back to in-person in 525 00:27:06.791 --> 00:27:07.726 this coming summer. 526 00:27:08.793 --> 00:27:11.329 So you're talking about a week long 527 00:27:11.329 --> 00:27:14.499 training, usually on a college campus somewhere. 528 00:27:14.499 --> 00:27:17.202 So it's not like luxurious 529 00:27:17.202 --> 00:27:20.071 accommodations or anything, but it does have a more 530 00:27:20.071 --> 00:27:23.041 significant expense than no travel. 531 00:27:24.542 --> 00:27:25.777 And that that is 532 00:27:25.777 --> 00:27:28.780 one of the areas that I've been seeing. 533 00:27:28.947 --> 00:27:30.715 I really want get to point that everything's in the system 534 00:27:30.715 --> 00:27:32.817 and I can drill down on 535 00:27:32.817 --> 00:27:35.987 give me all my travel in one spot because right now it's in separate budgets. 536 00:27:35.987 --> 00:27:38.256 But I think we're getting to that point. 537 00:27:38.256 --> 00:27:39.758 You know, I want to see those areas because, 538 00:27:39.758 --> 00:27:43.962 you know, it might be a conversation that we were going to do travel, 539 00:27:43.962 --> 00:27:48.333 but we've got to prioritize it by, you know, what is identified 540 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.070 as has really good training that we want our staff to get to 541 00:27:53.138 --> 00:27:56.074 it. I think people are excited to get back out, let's just put it that way. 542 00:27:56.074 --> 00:27:58.877 So I do think there's a lot again, this is just as requested. 543 00:27:58.877 --> 00:28:03.882 So the principals have taken the request from their teachers and we might have to, 544 00:28:05.350 --> 00:28:07.919 as an administration, kind of look at some of those requests 545 00:28:07.919 --> 00:28:08.420 just to make sure, 546 00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:11.423 you know, just to make sure everybody's on board with who's going where. 547 00:28:13.758 --> 00:28:14.659 So those will be. 548 00:28:14.659 --> 00:28:17.128 And I didn't want to start picking and choosing at this point. 549 00:28:17.128 --> 00:28:20.432 I'd rather like let everything as is have the meetings and then turn around 550 00:28:20.432 --> 00:28:23.435 and kind of really regroup on it. 551 00:28:25.870 --> 00:28:27.338 But a lot of the other line items, 552 00:28:27.338 --> 00:28:29.841 especially like for the buildings, you would. 553 00:28:29.841 --> 00:28:33.011 Not. You would attribute those increases to 554 00:28:34.012 --> 00:28:34.379 things 555 00:28:34.379 --> 00:28:38.416 coming back that weren't there before the increased costs, field trips 556 00:28:38.416 --> 00:28:41.553 that are going to cost, you know, more and having to look at that, 557 00:28:43.421 --> 00:28:46.891 you know, decision point as the budget gets closer to final. 558 00:28:47.459 --> 00:28:49.494 Now, you know, there's supplies. 559 00:28:49.494 --> 00:28:53.164 And so now what I'm hearing and again, I want to go back and assess is, 560 00:28:54.232 --> 00:28:57.235 you know, what we can do is supplies are just really 561 00:28:57.869 --> 00:29:00.872 have escalated I think combination cost where we're at today. 562 00:29:01.473 --> 00:29:05.243 We did deplete extra stuff that was sitting around from last year. 563 00:29:05.243 --> 00:29:08.246 So, you know, I think it's a big combination. 564 00:29:08.546 --> 00:29:11.549 We'll just going to have to make sure that at some point, 565 00:29:12.083 --> 00:29:14.853 do we still try and limit, you know, what what do we really need? 566 00:29:14.853 --> 00:29:16.654 I think everyone's just excited to be back. 567 00:29:16.654 --> 00:29:17.422 So I want to make sure 568 00:29:17.422 --> 00:29:20.725 that what we're bringing forward is at some point what we really need. 569 00:29:22.026 --> 00:29:25.029 And we've stepped up still the nice to have 570 00:29:25.363 --> 00:29:26.631 because that's kind of that balance. 571 00:29:26.631 --> 00:29:29.634 There's there's a lot of needs and no doubt and then 572 00:29:30.401 --> 00:29:32.504 there's some big wishes too. 573 00:29:32.504 --> 00:29:35.340 I know for the high school, actually, if you look at the high school 574 00:29:35.340 --> 00:29:36.941 and that's that's up considerably 575 00:29:36.941 --> 00:29:39.978 there's some there's some wishes in there that we've already talked about. 576 00:29:40.378 --> 00:29:42.547 So it done anything with them yet. 577 00:29:42.547 --> 00:29:46.951 But there is a $41,000 sign and that's been a big 578 00:29:48.453 --> 00:29:50.722 issue, I understand, with the community 579 00:29:50.722 --> 00:29:54.559 and but that the signboard has not worked and has not worked at all this year. 580 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.661 And it's so old we cannot get parts for it. 581 00:29:56.661 --> 00:30:00.331 So that 41,000 in my mind really needs to stay in there. 582 00:30:00.331 --> 00:30:02.066 But again, all the conversation that we have. 583 00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:11.042 And on the benefits 584 00:30:11.042 --> 00:30:14.913 line that obviously we're self-funded and so we gauge some obviously 585 00:30:15.747 --> 00:30:20.118 a large part of that is just the calculation, 586 00:30:20.218 --> 00:30:24.155 you know, of of costs as self-funded insurance. But 587 00:30:25.223 --> 00:30:28.593 is that increase also a projection based on 588 00:30:29.761 --> 00:30:32.764 what we've, you know, the trends we've been seeing of costs? 589 00:30:33.064 --> 00:30:36.601 If you go to then to the next the next set of documents is the 590 00:30:37.769 --> 00:30:39.470 salary benefits. 591 00:30:39.470 --> 00:30:41.673 So on here and I'm. 592 00:30:41.673 --> 00:30:46.211 Sorry, huh led you right in under the you did something perfect. 593 00:30:46.311 --> 00:30:48.279 Nice transition. 594 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.182 Well can I, can I ask a question on 595 00:30:51.182 --> 00:30:54.152 the expenses? 596 00:30:55.353 --> 00:30:58.056 The Dauphin County 597 00:30:58.056 --> 00:31:01.059 Technical School Debt service. 598 00:31:01.292 --> 00:31:04.262 I don't know why I thought that we had 599 00:31:04.696 --> 00:31:07.465 we were fully bought in on 600 00:31:07.465 --> 00:31:10.335 on the technical school and didn't have any further debt. 601 00:31:10.335 --> 00:31:11.236 I think when they. 602 00:31:11.236 --> 00:31:15.940 They must have done a bond refi at some point or new money, I'm not sure what 603 00:31:16.307 --> 00:31:20.478 what they did at one of their campuses, but I know that we had it at Lancaster to 604 00:31:22.280 --> 00:31:22.513 okay. 605 00:31:22.513 --> 00:31:25.516 But then we get we get a portion proportionate share of there. 606 00:31:26.117 --> 00:31:27.852 I'm sure there is something that I just carry. 607 00:31:27.852 --> 00:31:30.855 I think that I'm recalling that 608 00:31:31.022 --> 00:31:34.025 our number was higher 609 00:31:34.259 --> 00:31:38.463 and it must have been prior to the years listed on here 610 00:31:38.796 --> 00:31:41.466 is remember when Harrisburg 611 00:31:41.466 --> 00:31:44.702 increased their share, we got a few hundred thousand dollars back. 612 00:31:44.702 --> 00:31:46.771 Yeah, 613 00:31:46.771 --> 00:31:48.406 but I but that 614 00:31:48.406 --> 00:31:52.076 what was still left over was what was our proportionate share. 615 00:31:52.110 --> 00:31:55.113 Okay. And that's still, 616 00:31:55.413 --> 00:31:58.182 that's capital expenditures. 617 00:31:58.182 --> 00:32:01.185 It's not to that was for the renovation 618 00:32:03.354 --> 00:32:06.057 or the addition of you know, one of the parts of the buildings. 619 00:32:06.057 --> 00:32:07.091 Okay. 620 00:32:07.091 --> 00:32:08.559 That you're right that that is 621 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.728 that is separate that was just for a capital project. 622 00:32:10.728 --> 00:32:12.931 Right. And then the other question I had is with 623 00:32:13.998 --> 00:32:16.200 the cost of our students that 624 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.871 go to the technical school, is that covered. 625 00:32:20.939 --> 00:32:22.073 That will be under tuition. 626 00:32:22.073 --> 00:32:22.707 Or tuition. 627 00:32:22.707 --> 00:32:23.341 Okay. 628 00:32:23.341 --> 00:32:26.311 And we'll get to that after something in benefits. 629 00:32:26.577 --> 00:32:28.980 Okay. Let's do that line item. 630 00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:32.884 And just to keep in mind, I don't know what the ramifications will be. 631 00:32:32.917 --> 00:32:35.486 I remember seeing something from Mrs. 632 00:32:35.486 --> 00:32:38.489 Secker recently, 633 00:32:38.623 --> 00:32:42.327 some report on some activities she's involved with at the technical 634 00:32:42.327 --> 00:32:48.633 school related to tuition and how it will be assessed. 635 00:32:48.967 --> 00:32:51.869 They're examining, 636 00:32:51.869 --> 00:32:54.305 I don't know, for to take place at what time, 637 00:32:54.305 --> 00:32:57.308 whether they're talking about starting July one or 638 00:32:57.942 --> 00:32:59.877 but I remember seeing something. 639 00:32:59.877 --> 00:33:01.779 I think it's. Admissions. Yeah. 640 00:33:01.779 --> 00:33:05.616 So it's it's not tuition it's determining how many students, 641 00:33:06.684 --> 00:33:08.953 how many students from each district. 642 00:33:08.953 --> 00:33:11.522 Have a seat. Okay. Okay. Sorry. 643 00:33:11.522 --> 00:33:12.690 No worries. 644 00:33:12.690 --> 00:33:15.560 They're just working on making policy match. 645 00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:16.194 Practice. 646 00:33:17.528 --> 00:33:18.696 Or practice Match. 647 00:33:18.696 --> 00:33:19.697 Scratch that question. 648 00:33:19.697 --> 00:33:22.934 Maybe I have not seen anything yet. 649 00:33:22.934 --> 00:33:25.570 Is updated numbers for 650 00:33:25.570 --> 00:33:29.007 what the tech school is building into their budget as increase. 651 00:33:29.007 --> 00:33:31.909 So we're about half a million dollars roughly. 652 00:33:31.909 --> 00:33:33.678 And again, we'll see that in a couple of pages, 653 00:33:33.678 --> 00:33:37.081 but that's about the cost of our tuition expense with. 654 00:33:37.448 --> 00:33:40.451 Okay, thank you. 655 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.620 Yeah, I was just going to say 656 00:33:42.620 --> 00:33:47.759 if they were looking at any potential for an increase, 657 00:33:48.126 --> 00:33:51.129 but she was still finalizing the budget. 658 00:33:51.729 --> 00:33:54.832 But I didn't have any figures as to what that was going to look like 659 00:33:54.832 --> 00:33:57.835 for the sending schools 660 00:33:59.937 --> 00:34:00.571 though. Thank you for. 661 00:34:00.571 --> 00:34:03.041 And there have been a question at one of the last meetings 662 00:34:03.041 --> 00:34:06.878 when we approved the the hack budget 663 00:34:07.445 --> 00:34:12.917 or the the agreement with hack is that inside of the tuition line. 664 00:34:12.917 --> 00:34:14.252 Yes. Okay. 665 00:34:14.252 --> 00:34:15.453 There's some detail on that. 666 00:34:15.453 --> 00:34:17.422 But that's about 130,000. Yeah. 667 00:34:18.456 --> 00:34:21.459 Thank you. 668 00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:28.232 Anything else on this particular part for now. 669 00:34:28.232 --> 00:34:31.569 And again we'll get some more details 670 00:34:31.569 --> 00:34:34.572 and really some of those big drivers. 671 00:34:34.906 --> 00:34:37.909 So with Kayla, I guess we're 672 00:34:38.810 --> 00:34:41.813 expecting a 673 00:34:41.913 --> 00:34:43.014 big increase. 674 00:34:43.014 --> 00:34:44.515 It has jumped up. 675 00:34:44.515 --> 00:34:47.518 I actually talked to 676 00:34:48.152 --> 00:34:50.888 Lara Wade this morning and we are going to have some follow up 677 00:34:50.888 --> 00:34:54.025 conversations about she's got some ideas about hopefully maybe 678 00:34:54.392 --> 00:34:57.595 getting some kids back or to a part time that we could save some of that 679 00:34:58.262 --> 00:34:59.831 that expense with the IU. 680 00:34:59.831 --> 00:35:02.767 So that was that was again her her projected number. 681 00:35:02.767 --> 00:35:06.571 But that is an area that I want to delve into a little bit deeper 682 00:35:06.571 --> 00:35:08.239 with her, just to see if, 683 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.242 you know, there's an opportunity to pull back or where we're trending. 684 00:35:11.509 --> 00:35:15.213 I mean, that's a pretty big increase and that's if it's warranted, it's warranted. 685 00:35:15.213 --> 00:35:17.448 It's just a matter. Of I don't know. 686 00:35:17.448 --> 00:35:20.518 And I'll be interested to see in talking to her. 687 00:35:20.518 --> 00:35:24.288 I think her concern was this year was not high enough that 688 00:35:24.288 --> 00:35:26.324 so we might actually exceed the one, 689 00:35:27.992 --> 00:35:28.693 the 190. 690 00:35:28.693 --> 00:35:31.062 That's been budgeted for this year. 691 00:35:31.062 --> 00:35:33.498 Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but hadn't 692 00:35:33.498 --> 00:35:37.502 we initially been planning so when the budget was done last year, 693 00:35:37.969 --> 00:35:43.274 when we were looking ahead to 21, 22 and what the virtual options would be, 694 00:35:43.641 --> 00:35:47.078 secondary was slated to be the 695 00:35:48.312 --> 00:35:53.017 zooming into classrooms and only elementary school was going to be Kayla. 696 00:35:53.417 --> 00:35:56.554 So when that ultimately ended up shifting 697 00:35:56.554 --> 00:36:01.392 to Kayla for K 12, that would have added an increase 698 00:36:01.392 --> 00:36:04.395 to the Kayla expense that was not budgeted for 699 00:36:05.029 --> 00:36:07.398 because 700 00:36:07.398 --> 00:36:09.767 it wasn't the plan at the time budget was done. 701 00:36:09.767 --> 00:36:10.434 Yes, and thank you. 702 00:36:10.434 --> 00:36:14.372 She did mention that it is now that it is a K-12 program, 703 00:36:14.372 --> 00:36:17.642 it is increased costs for students across the board that 704 00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:20.711 dissipate in the past. 705 00:36:20.711 --> 00:36:23.881 Just last year was $44,000. 706 00:36:23.881 --> 00:36:24.482 Looks like 707 00:36:25.449 --> 00:36:25.917 what, now? 708 00:36:25.917 --> 00:36:26.551 Two years ago. 709 00:36:26.551 --> 00:36:29.520 I'm sorry. 710 00:36:31.155 --> 00:36:33.357 That never seems odd to me again. 711 00:36:33.357 --> 00:36:34.892 There's some areas that idea. 712 00:36:34.892 --> 00:36:37.862 Which in 20, 20, 2021 713 00:36:37.862 --> 00:36:40.831 and any student who was attending virtually 714 00:36:42.033 --> 00:36:45.937 through, you know, our our COVID instructional options 715 00:36:46.270 --> 00:36:50.341 was not through Kayla, but through the district, 716 00:36:50.341 --> 00:36:53.311 into our building teachers. 717 00:36:53.711 --> 00:36:56.714 And it was, you know, in building instruction. 718 00:36:56.914 --> 00:37:02.453 So 21, 22 was really the first year that we had any of our students 719 00:37:02.887 --> 00:37:06.924 for pandemic related reasons, attending virtually through Kayla 720 00:37:07.658 --> 00:37:10.561 before, that it was just students 721 00:37:10.561 --> 00:37:13.197 who were using the Kayla option. 722 00:37:13.197 --> 00:37:16.801 But it was minimal in numbers compared to, 723 00:37:17.868 --> 00:37:20.671 you know the last year and a half of school. 724 00:37:20.671 --> 00:37:23.674 So I think combined with 725 00:37:24.408 --> 00:37:26.177 that plus 726 00:37:26.177 --> 00:37:30.181 the secondary virtual instruction not being budgeted 727 00:37:30.181 --> 00:37:33.618 for as Kayla because of the post budget approval change, 728 00:37:34.352 --> 00:37:36.721 that's why we would be seeing that difference. 729 00:37:40.157 --> 00:37:41.726 So it's something we will look at it. 730 00:37:41.726 --> 00:37:44.629 It might it might be containable. 731 00:37:44.629 --> 00:37:45.529 It might not. 732 00:37:45.529 --> 00:37:50.234 Yeah, I think she said there's about 44 students participating right now. 733 00:37:50.534 --> 00:37:53.537 You don't know the per student cost, but 734 00:37:54.272 --> 00:37:57.208 that's sort of the idea for the projection 735 00:37:57.208 --> 00:38:00.211 for next year. 736 00:38:02.613 --> 00:38:04.682 Thank you. 737 00:38:04.682 --> 00:38:08.919 Anything else on this particular spec sheet 738 00:38:08.919 --> 00:38:14.091 or we can move on to the salary benefit side of things for salaries? 739 00:38:14.091 --> 00:38:17.595 And again, this is really this projection is using 740 00:38:19.397 --> 00:38:20.865 an estimate percentage increase 741 00:38:20.865 --> 00:38:23.868 based on increases in the contract over 742 00:38:24.435 --> 00:38:25.770 the 2122 budget. 743 00:38:25.770 --> 00:38:30.308 So it's not it's not accurate as it could be will be. 744 00:38:30.941 --> 00:38:33.944 So I will be working with, 745 00:38:33.944 --> 00:38:36.947 you know, h.r. To 746 00:38:37.281 --> 00:38:40.918 identify, you know, the actual seats, the increases, the people, the changes 747 00:38:40.918 --> 00:38:43.921 that happened this year and make sure they're reflected in next year's budget. 748 00:38:44.288 --> 00:38:47.124 Just to get an idea, i want to make sure who's, you know, I. 749 00:38:47.124 --> 00:38:50.594 I also want to understand too, like the classifications 750 00:38:50.594 --> 00:38:54.832 those the 111 121 those are the object postings as per PD. 751 00:38:54.832 --> 00:38:56.334 So I want to make 752 00:38:56.334 --> 00:38:57.001 I want to see where 753 00:38:57.001 --> 00:39:00.504 where salaries are posting and who's in what category kind of thing. 754 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:03.974 So it is an increase, but that's again, 755 00:39:03.974 --> 00:39:07.545 that's just a percent increase over budget, which it's not too far off. 756 00:39:07.545 --> 00:39:11.949 We've been pretty much in that 30 push and $30 million salary number. 757 00:39:11.949 --> 00:39:15.152 Now that's just the base salaries come down a little bit. 758 00:39:15.152 --> 00:39:17.922 Then those are the extra, 759 00:39:17.922 --> 00:39:20.291 extra, some extra hours. 760 00:39:20.291 --> 00:39:23.294 That's pretty much of the the salary piece of it. 761 00:39:26.530 --> 00:39:28.265 I think the benefit side, 762 00:39:28.265 --> 00:39:32.870 Lindsey, your questions earlier, if we go to the benefits sheet 763 00:39:32.970 --> 00:39:37.274 and that's where so the F like a medicare that is that in 7.65%. 764 00:39:37.274 --> 00:39:42.179 So that's this is where we recognize fully that 100% of these costs 765 00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:45.416 and then we get the 50% back from the state after the fact. 766 00:39:46.117 --> 00:39:48.185 Teasers next year will be 35.26. 767 00:39:48.185 --> 00:39:51.188 So as a percent like that, that again is just 768 00:39:51.422 --> 00:39:54.291 35.2% to 6% of payroll, 769 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:56.727 that number will change 770 00:39:56.727 --> 00:39:59.730 as our payroll changes, 771 00:40:01.232 --> 00:40:02.266 tuition reimbursement, 772 00:40:02.266 --> 00:40:05.770 that's what we pay back to staff who take classes. 773 00:40:07.772 --> 00:40:10.574 And it doesn't change a whole lot the area. 774 00:40:10.574 --> 00:40:16.213 So the medical line, the 271 medical, I'm estimating a 5% increase. 775 00:40:16.213 --> 00:40:20.017 We do have a so I think you remember that a board 776 00:40:20.017 --> 00:40:23.921 approved contract with Air Allura Group, which is our consultant. 777 00:40:24.221 --> 00:40:25.523 We will rebating them with them. 778 00:40:25.523 --> 00:40:29.827 They're going to be bringing forward updated numbers here early in April 779 00:40:29.827 --> 00:40:31.495 as to what 780 00:40:31.495 --> 00:40:35.232 percentage increase we've really seen and what their projections are 781 00:40:35.733 --> 00:40:37.668 to really get a better number in there. 782 00:40:37.668 --> 00:40:40.137 So i'm using 5% just 783 00:40:40.137 --> 00:40:42.406 we are trending a little bit higher than we had 784 00:40:42.406 --> 00:40:45.409 been, 785 00:40:45.943 --> 00:40:48.512 say, for dental with that's that is the big piece of it's the medical. 786 00:40:48.512 --> 00:40:51.449 So that's again right now just estimating five. 787 00:40:51.449 --> 00:40:53.751 But that will we'll get a little more clarity on that one. 788 00:40:58.656 --> 00:41:01.158 Any other questions on 789 00:41:01.158 --> 00:41:04.161 the benefit side of things. 790 00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:09.033 We do have reserves, though, on the insurance side. 791 00:41:09.033 --> 00:41:12.937 One of our restricted accounts. 792 00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.740 That committed fund, the. 793 00:41:16.740 --> 00:41:20.010 Committed fund balance that we have in place, 794 00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:23.681 so that as self-funded insurance, you know, if we would have 795 00:41:25.416 --> 00:41:28.419 a much higher number of 796 00:41:29.386 --> 00:41:30.688 claims, you know, 797 00:41:30.688 --> 00:41:34.325 that are hitting that stop loss insurance number, 798 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:38.062 we have that there for offset right. 799 00:41:39.930 --> 00:41:41.432 Right. It's just it's right. 800 00:41:41.432 --> 00:41:45.336 Is money kind of set aside in our total fund balance 801 00:41:45.336 --> 00:41:48.339 that would cover it. 802 00:41:50.374 --> 00:41:53.377 So it's it's 803 00:41:53.410 --> 00:41:56.981 it's just something to watch and again there's nothing we can do about it. 804 00:41:56.981 --> 00:41:58.048 It is what it is. 805 00:41:58.048 --> 00:41:59.850 Just want to make sure that we do budget for it 806 00:41:59.850 --> 00:42:01.452 and that we're putting programs in place. 807 00:42:01.452 --> 00:42:03.254 I mean, I know that there are some initiatives 808 00:42:03.254 --> 00:42:06.423 or some things that we want to do in talking with them that I think we can 809 00:42:06.423 --> 00:42:07.258 we can do some 810 00:42:08.192 --> 00:42:10.561 greater managed care things or, you know, offerings. 811 00:42:10.561 --> 00:42:13.564 Nothing that we're putting restrictions on on staff. 812 00:42:13.597 --> 00:42:15.633 But 5% is the average. 813 00:42:15.633 --> 00:42:20.738 And we typically expect to see those cost numbers in the budget 814 00:42:20.871 --> 00:42:23.874 increased by 5% each year. 815 00:42:25.676 --> 00:42:28.679 So that for right now is just the estimate. 816 00:42:33.684 --> 00:42:36.320 And again, these are a lot of 817 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.789 there's not a whole lot of wiggle room in salary or benefits. 818 00:42:38.789 --> 00:42:40.691 It's sort of it is what it is. 819 00:42:40.691 --> 00:42:43.027 It's driven out by the 820 00:42:43.027 --> 00:42:45.863 increases per the contract and, 821 00:42:45.863 --> 00:42:48.332 you know, benefits those 822 00:42:48.332 --> 00:42:49.667 that are in place. 823 00:42:49.667 --> 00:42:52.670 There's not much to do different 824 00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:58.175 but wanted to look at it just so that, you know, everybody at least saw 825 00:42:58.175 --> 00:43:01.645 what was coming forward and how it's how it's built and the impact of it. 826 00:43:04.848 --> 00:43:05.649 Anything else from a 827 00:43:05.649 --> 00:43:08.652 salary benefit standpoint. 828 00:43:11.622 --> 00:43:14.291 So then the only other area I really wanted to look at was 829 00:43:14.291 --> 00:43:17.294 did want to look at tuition a little bit early because it is a big 830 00:43:17.494 --> 00:43:18.963 it is a big driver of the budget. 831 00:43:18.963 --> 00:43:21.432 It has significantly increased. 832 00:43:21.432 --> 00:43:24.001 And I know it's a concern of all districts. 833 00:43:24.001 --> 00:43:27.771 It's a concern it's been a concern from the state level only because 834 00:43:29.640 --> 00:43:32.643 there's nothing we can do as a district to stop it. 835 00:43:32.876 --> 00:43:37.047 We can try and work with our students, with their families, to encourage them 836 00:43:37.047 --> 00:43:40.751 to come back, to stay with us, to be part of our programs. 837 00:43:41.185 --> 00:43:42.753 But it's totally free choice. 838 00:43:42.753 --> 00:43:45.723 And should they choose to go, we get a bill and we pay it. 839 00:43:46.457 --> 00:43:48.058 The problem is the 840 00:43:50.494 --> 00:43:53.897 the way the PD 363 is determined. 841 00:43:53.897 --> 00:43:58.168 And I don't know how much any of you have heard about this conversation 842 00:43:58.369 --> 00:44:01.171 at the state level and all the 843 00:44:01.171 --> 00:44:04.908 trying to get some legislation in place for some charter school reform. 844 00:44:05.009 --> 00:44:08.612 What's really driving that is this PD 363, which 845 00:44:09.613 --> 00:44:12.483 we as districts need to do in 846 00:44:12.483 --> 00:44:15.753 the summertime kind of area, but it's based on our budgeted numbers 847 00:44:15.753 --> 00:44:18.722 for this for the year, which 848 00:44:18.922 --> 00:44:21.659 when you're basing 849 00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:24.128 payments to charter schools on your budget 850 00:44:24.128 --> 00:44:27.131 in numbers, you're not allowed to go back and just we used to be able to 851 00:44:27.164 --> 00:44:30.167 they used to give us some wiggle room to go back and adjust to actual 852 00:44:30.934 --> 00:44:34.238 and it helped a little bit, but it doesn't anymore. 853 00:44:34.238 --> 00:44:36.407 So we're locked into these costs. 854 00:44:36.407 --> 00:44:38.809 If you go to the tuition, 855 00:44:41.145 --> 00:44:42.746 it's the PD 363. 856 00:44:42.746 --> 00:44:45.015 So this is just a history, 857 00:44:45.015 --> 00:44:47.084 just for awareness. 858 00:44:47.084 --> 00:44:52.122 So in 2122, we are actually paying for an on special education student 859 00:44:52.122 --> 00:44:57.094 who goes to any of our cyber charters, the 13 three and it's 27 860 00:44:57.094 --> 00:45:00.998 one for a special education that's based on, again, our budgeted costs in our 861 00:45:02.266 --> 00:45:03.534 in our budget. 862 00:45:03.534 --> 00:45:05.436 And then that's what we pay them. 863 00:45:05.436 --> 00:45:07.137 Which that's for one student. 864 00:45:07.137 --> 00:45:09.206 That's for one student, right? 865 00:45:09.206 --> 00:45:11.341 That's our spend. 866 00:45:11.341 --> 00:45:13.610 That's our spend in the district for one student. 867 00:45:13.610 --> 00:45:17.881 So that is the equivalent payment that's owed to a cyber charter 868 00:45:18.348 --> 00:45:21.351 because it's currently determined reform. 869 00:45:21.618 --> 00:45:25.122 It's currently determined that that's the amount 870 00:45:25.122 --> 00:45:28.459 the district spends per student is passed on to the cyber driver. 871 00:45:28.692 --> 00:45:31.562 And it's it's really difficult for a lot of schools to 872 00:45:31.562 --> 00:45:34.798 I think that the problem is is this this was written into school 873 00:45:34.798 --> 00:45:38.368 code in 1949 and nothing has been adjusted to give schools any relief. 874 00:45:38.569 --> 00:45:41.705 So schools are paying exorbitant dollars 875 00:45:41.705 --> 00:45:45.209 to cyber charters who don't have brick and mortar. 876 00:45:45.209 --> 00:45:49.379 So our expenses cover our overhead, cover our facilities, 877 00:45:50.180 --> 00:45:52.750 electric cover, everything that we pay. 878 00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:55.552 And those costs really just aren't there, you know, 879 00:45:55.552 --> 00:45:59.056 And there's there's hasn't been any oversight at the state level 880 00:45:59.056 --> 00:46:02.559 as far as like there's testing mandates and things that schools are subject 881 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.929 to that charters really don't have to follow. 882 00:46:06.296 --> 00:46:09.566 From my limited reading of the proposed 883 00:46:09.566 --> 00:46:13.103 reforms, none of them address this issue as far as I could tell. 884 00:46:13.370 --> 00:46:15.839 None of them address the the cost issue. 885 00:46:15.839 --> 00:46:20.010 The governor's like he wants a 999. 886 00:46:20.010 --> 00:46:25.282 Yeah, 94 nine and change flat fee for all students to get, you know, four. 887 00:46:25.649 --> 00:46:26.416 So there's no question. 888 00:46:26.416 --> 00:46:28.585 I didn't I didn't see that And. 889 00:46:28.585 --> 00:46:32.623 That's one of the leading arguments for the reform is to 890 00:46:33.490 --> 00:46:35.893 is to cap that reimbursement 891 00:46:35.893 --> 00:46:39.029 rate to kind of make it more in line. 892 00:46:39.029 --> 00:46:42.199 And because one of the big things is that, 893 00:46:43.467 --> 00:46:44.735 as Sheryll was saying, 894 00:46:44.735 --> 00:46:48.138 the difference in the cost, you know, the brick and mortar expenses, 895 00:46:48.138 --> 00:46:52.709 but also how disproportionate it is, you know, our expenses don't reduce 896 00:46:53.410 --> 00:46:57.080 proportionately for one student because we aren't 897 00:46:57.114 --> 00:47:01.718 removing a teacher or, you know, any other salary positions 898 00:47:02.753 --> 00:47:06.757 for one or even 810 students compared 899 00:47:06.757 --> 00:47:10.727 to, you know, the funds that are being transferred over to that. 900 00:47:10.727 --> 00:47:15.332 So a portion of each one of those 13,000 per student is going to something 901 00:47:15.332 --> 00:47:21.138 that is not decreasing on our end until we lose that classroom worth of students. 902 00:47:21.171 --> 00:47:22.873 Right. Right. 903 00:47:22.873 --> 00:47:26.343 So you're saying part of the governor's proposal 904 00:47:26.343 --> 00:47:29.513 includes capping on both non 905 00:47:29.513 --> 00:47:32.516 special ed and special ed? 906 00:47:32.549 --> 00:47:34.785 He is it it would it's my understanding 907 00:47:34.785 --> 00:47:37.788 is it's it's it's across it's a flat it's a flat charge. 908 00:47:38.088 --> 00:47:39.056 It's gotten a lot of 909 00:47:40.691 --> 00:47:41.558 pushback from it. 910 00:47:41.558 --> 00:47:43.694 There's a lot of 911 00:47:43.694 --> 00:47:46.697 there's a lot of lobbying money to keep this structure. 912 00:47:46.797 --> 00:47:49.800 Because like I said, the summaries I've read just in the newspaper 913 00:47:50.200 --> 00:47:51.602 don't mention these caps at. 914 00:47:51.602 --> 00:47:53.270 All. It's been talked about for now. 915 00:47:53.270 --> 00:47:55.639 I've well, and I think if you recall to Mr. 916 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.077 McFarland, our previous superintendent was a big advocate 917 00:48:00.077 --> 00:48:04.281 for charter school reform because you know of that impact 918 00:48:04.281 --> 00:48:08.852 and just because of the lack of accountability around the use 919 00:48:08.852 --> 00:48:13.891 of taxpayer dollars for charter school, because so many of them, you know, do 920 00:48:13.891 --> 00:48:20.130 very elaborate and extravagant advertising using, you know, taxpayer dollars. 921 00:48:20.130 --> 00:48:23.333 So I think just trying to level that playing field so that 922 00:48:24.134 --> 00:48:27.137 the choice really is there and fairly so. 923 00:48:29.139 --> 00:48:30.140 You go to the next slide. 924 00:48:30.140 --> 00:48:32.843 So the next some of the questions we were talking about earlier 925 00:48:32.843 --> 00:48:36.780 to make sure we get through this is so each year when we do our ACR, 926 00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:40.350 which is the annual financial report that gets submitted to PD after the year, 927 00:48:40.951 --> 00:48:43.954 there is a special schedule in as part of the report 928 00:48:44.221 --> 00:48:47.658 that identifies and breaks down all of our 929 00:48:47.691 --> 00:48:50.694 So all of our object five sixties is where tuition goes. 930 00:48:50.694 --> 00:48:51.962 So these are the different kinds of things. 931 00:48:51.962 --> 00:48:55.332 So in there you will see like if we send students to another LGA, 932 00:48:55.332 --> 00:48:58.335 if we the cyber charter obviously is our biggest one. 933 00:48:58.936 --> 00:49:00.871 You see a line item for the CTC 934 00:49:02.105 --> 00:49:02.973 approved private school. 935 00:49:02.973 --> 00:49:05.943 So if we have a special placement, that's where some of those would go 936 00:49:06.243 --> 00:49:07.844 to juvenile detention centers. 937 00:49:07.844 --> 00:49:11.081 So the state really captures all this data from all of the schools 938 00:49:11.448 --> 00:49:15.619 and wants it and wants it broken out by regular education 939 00:49:15.852 --> 00:49:18.822 and non or 940 00:49:19.089 --> 00:49:22.292 special ed and non special and basically regular special education. 941 00:49:22.693 --> 00:49:24.695 So that's just an idea for each year. 942 00:49:24.695 --> 00:49:28.899 So you can really see like we were very flat at just over a million, 943 00:49:28.899 --> 00:49:33.637 you know, 1.1 up until last year and last year went to 2.4 944 00:49:33.637 --> 00:49:37.107 and we're running pretty much close to that right now? 945 00:49:37.107 --> 00:49:40.077 We're already at 1.5. 946 00:49:40.077 --> 00:49:42.312 And a lot of those costs do come in late in the year because we'll get 947 00:49:42.312 --> 00:49:45.549 some heavy reconciliations and things we'll just keep paying because they 948 00:49:45.549 --> 00:49:48.785 they break it down over when do break it down over over 12 months. 949 00:49:48.785 --> 00:49:52.422 But because that's another great thing is if they no students 950 00:49:52.422 --> 00:49:55.826 coming in September they can start billing us in July which. 951 00:49:57.694 --> 00:49:58.261 And then you have to 952 00:49:58.261 --> 00:50:01.264 go back and kind of get that reimbursement right. 953 00:50:01.264 --> 00:50:04.267 Like if a student transfers back into the district. 954 00:50:04.501 --> 00:50:05.268 There's always record. 955 00:50:05.268 --> 00:50:07.604 It gets prorated. 956 00:50:07.604 --> 00:50:10.707 So it's, you know, so anyway, and then that other tuition 957 00:50:10.707 --> 00:50:13.710 not included elsewhere that is the hack payments. 958 00:50:13.910 --> 00:50:17.848 So everything is is is captured on here just as everything else has been pretty 959 00:50:18.382 --> 00:50:19.583 flat for the most part. 960 00:50:19.583 --> 00:50:24.121 It's just that cyber charter line that's the one that we and unfortunately 961 00:50:24.121 --> 00:50:27.090 we don't have a lot of 962 00:50:28.025 --> 00:50:30.127 control on it. 963 00:50:30.127 --> 00:50:32.329 Looking at our year to date, obviously 964 00:50:32.329 --> 00:50:35.832 versus budget, we're significantly up on that. 965 00:50:35.832 --> 00:50:38.835 Is that why you would be 966 00:50:39.136 --> 00:50:42.139 looking to propose such an increase in the budget? 967 00:50:42.572 --> 00:50:44.341 Well, for next year I'm. 968 00:50:44.341 --> 00:50:48.078 Thinking so only because if I looked at year to date three 3121 969 00:50:48.078 --> 00:50:51.081 we were about 118 and 1.8 970 00:50:51.281 --> 00:50:53.550 and this year we're at 1.5. 971 00:50:53.550 --> 00:50:55.685 So, you know, we're we're almost at the same. 972 00:50:55.685 --> 00:50:59.322 So I was thinking we might not get all the way to where 973 00:50:59.322 --> 00:51:02.426 we were in 2021, but I wanted to get more because we're definitely 974 00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:06.263 we're definitely going to be way over budget this year. 975 00:51:06.263 --> 00:51:09.666 So I didn't want to be that far out of whack next year, 976 00:51:12.102 --> 00:51:12.369 you know? 977 00:51:12.369 --> 00:51:15.572 And if we see that trending down or, you know, I'll keep watching another month 978 00:51:15.572 --> 00:51:18.542 or two and see, but I really think we're on target for that. 979 00:51:29.352 --> 00:51:30.220 The CTC, 980 00:51:30.220 --> 00:51:33.490 I just I would I would propose that we budget similar to this year 981 00:51:33.490 --> 00:51:37.828 until we hear different from from them about anticipated costs for the next year. 982 00:51:38.228 --> 00:51:41.798 Okay so that's 983 00:51:41.798 --> 00:51:44.935 what's in and that's what I'm seeing in the tuition room. 984 00:51:44.935 --> 00:51:47.037 Anyway. 985 00:51:47.037 --> 00:51:48.572 We have about 5 minutes left 986 00:51:48.572 --> 00:51:51.975 and I know we have the contract item yet to review. 987 00:51:51.975 --> 00:51:56.847 So does anyone have any questions about any of the current year 988 00:51:56.847 --> 00:52:00.350 revenue and expenses or the proposed item discussions? 989 00:52:02.786 --> 00:52:05.789 I'm just checking virtual to to make sure 990 00:52:07.791 --> 00:52:08.692 no hands are there. 991 00:52:08.692 --> 00:52:09.092 Okay. 992 00:52:09.092 --> 00:52:11.428 So contracts are the contract. 993 00:52:11.428 --> 00:52:12.596 So since we're trying to 994 00:52:14.331 --> 00:52:17.334 follow a schedule that we're bringing some more contracts, giving them 995 00:52:17.534 --> 00:52:19.469 all the board at different committees, 996 00:52:19.469 --> 00:52:22.172 whether it be curriculum, general services, Finance, 997 00:52:22.172 --> 00:52:25.108 just to have a platform for any conversations, any questions 998 00:52:25.108 --> 00:52:27.244 you might have prior to getting to the board meeting 999 00:52:27.244 --> 00:52:30.647 so that it's just so that we have more opportunity to talk about contracts. 1000 00:52:30.647 --> 00:52:32.415 So this is just a summary. 1001 00:52:32.415 --> 00:52:35.418 Those first two are ones that are on for tonight 1002 00:52:35.952 --> 00:52:40.023 and ones of revenue item actually, and the other ones, one for communications 1003 00:52:40.423 --> 00:52:43.426 and then just one for 1004 00:52:44.361 --> 00:52:47.297 the April 11th meeting. 1005 00:52:47.297 --> 00:52:50.300 Just wanted to see if there's any question on that. 1006 00:52:51.168 --> 00:52:53.670 Now. I appreciate you presenting the contracts in this way. 1007 00:52:53.670 --> 00:52:56.673 I think that helps, you know, to get a snapshot. 1008 00:52:57.307 --> 00:52:58.141 I don't know. 1009 00:52:58.141 --> 00:53:02.379 You know, a lot of times when we approve a contract, it's the board. 1010 00:53:02.379 --> 00:53:06.016 It's board approved for the first year and then goes on 1011 00:53:06.016 --> 00:53:09.319 to be, you know, automatically renewing, which doesn't require 1012 00:53:10.987 --> 00:53:12.656 board approval at that time. 1013 00:53:12.656 --> 00:53:15.659 Is there any way to capture that? 1014 00:53:15.725 --> 00:53:18.728 That is one thing we are working to build out in here. So 1015 00:53:20.797 --> 00:53:23.800 even if it's a renewal, we're 1016 00:53:25.835 --> 00:53:26.136 asking 1017 00:53:26.136 --> 00:53:29.372 all departments, our office, to really start thinking about 1018 00:53:29.372 --> 00:53:33.343 what are we under contract for and as to really start building a list of 1019 00:53:34.644 --> 00:53:36.947 what are we under contract for when, when is it up? 1020 00:53:36.947 --> 00:53:38.682 Is it an auto renewal just so that we know 1021 00:53:38.682 --> 00:53:41.117 if we don't want to renew that, we've got the option to get out of it? 1022 00:53:41.117 --> 00:53:45.121 So that's one of the initiatives of something that we really want to build, 1023 00:53:45.121 --> 00:53:46.790 is having eyes on that. 1024 00:53:46.790 --> 00:53:50.727 So that's in works and where we something that's worked on over the next year. 1025 00:53:50.727 --> 00:53:51.528 And as I see 1026 00:53:52.696 --> 00:53:53.430 as I approve 1027 00:53:53.430 --> 00:53:56.900 invoices and checks, like just things that I'm looking at dates 1028 00:53:56.900 --> 00:53:59.135 and keeping a list of ones that we should go back 1029 00:53:59.135 --> 00:54:02.005 and make sure we get on on a list, so to speak. 1030 00:54:02.005 --> 00:54:05.475 And I think that would be helpful because sometimes we approve it 1031 00:54:05.475 --> 00:54:08.478 and then it goes somewhat out of sight, out of mind, you know, 1032 00:54:09.279 --> 00:54:13.049 ongoing because it's not coming back before the board. 1033 00:54:13.083 --> 00:54:13.950 Well, I would make sure 1034 00:54:13.950 --> 00:54:15.785 had that good list, too, only because as we 1035 00:54:15.785 --> 00:54:17.887 as we go to make payments, you think, oh, it's in line, 1036 00:54:17.887 --> 00:54:21.625 we have a contract for this, but are we really getting billed under the contract? 1037 00:54:21.625 --> 00:54:24.227 So I think those are important steps to make sure that we're, you know, 1038 00:54:24.227 --> 00:54:25.562 just Yeah, for sure. 1039 00:54:25.562 --> 00:54:27.330 You know, circling back on contract terms. 1040 00:54:29.332 --> 00:54:30.300 Thank you. 1041 00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:31.167 All right. 1042 00:54:31.167 --> 00:54:33.003 There was there's one that's coming. 1043 00:54:33.003 --> 00:54:34.471 We talked about it in ad Hoc. 1044 00:54:34.471 --> 00:54:38.008 We've talked about it in general services just a little bit ago. 1045 00:54:38.008 --> 00:54:39.542 So there's a contract with our office. 1046 00:54:39.542 --> 00:54:42.545 And I think everybody here has has heard of it. 1047 00:54:43.346 --> 00:54:45.115 The ad hoc or general services are 1048 00:54:45.115 --> 00:54:48.151 Alps is an architect firm out of Lancaster 1049 00:54:48.551 --> 00:54:53.290 who will be coming forward for the on 1050 00:54:53.757 --> 00:54:57.327 April 25th for getting 1051 00:54:58.928 --> 00:55:01.931 bumping and bumping out of what you say, May 1052 00:55:02.265 --> 00:55:05.702 or we were saying April 20, the end of April. 1053 00:55:05.702 --> 00:55:09.272 So I will be sharing that with you to share with. 1054 00:55:10.807 --> 00:55:14.010 So the next go round of contracts, most likely for the end of April, 1055 00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:19.249 and it will be to kind of pick up where warehouse left off, who we had 1056 00:55:19.249 --> 00:55:22.252 had do some architectural design work for the s.e.c. 1057 00:55:22.485 --> 00:55:27.090 Just to evaluate our options going forward since it is a very large price tag 1058 00:55:27.991 --> 00:55:29.859 and with that we might be in an enrollment study. 1059 00:55:29.859 --> 00:55:32.162 It's still working to get a little bit more information on on 1060 00:55:32.162 --> 00:55:33.897 if that's necessary. 1061 00:55:33.897 --> 00:55:36.066 Did did general service recommend that that I. 1062 00:55:38.101 --> 00:55:39.636 Yes yes 1063 00:55:39.636 --> 00:55:42.906 to to move forward chiefs to working on Mr. 1064 00:55:43.173 --> 00:55:45.909 Purcell still working on some funding 1065 00:55:45.909 --> 00:55:50.980 or some understanding of the cost for the study probably. 1066 00:55:51.414 --> 00:55:52.649 But the architect study. 1067 00:55:52.649 --> 00:55:56.219 I would I think it's a good thing to move forward on just to kind of 1068 00:55:56.653 --> 00:55:59.923 help us get off a dead center with making some of those decisions 1069 00:55:59.923 --> 00:56:01.891 that are going to have. I mean, we have to do something. 1070 00:56:01.891 --> 00:56:04.894 It's just a matter of what do we do and at what cost? 1071 00:56:04.961 --> 00:56:07.530 How do we. Do? I think I think it was moved to finance. 1072 00:56:07.530 --> 00:56:09.132 Is that what General Services did? 1073 00:56:09.132 --> 00:56:11.534 Moved it to finance. 1074 00:56:11.534 --> 00:56:12.635 For our April meeting? 1075 00:56:12.635 --> 00:56:13.937 Yes, yes, yes. 1076 00:56:13.937 --> 00:56:18.208 And then at that point in time, we'll will then have a discussion of finance 1077 00:56:18.308 --> 00:56:19.442 and then bring it to the full board. 1078 00:56:20.977 --> 00:56:23.646 I just want to clarify that the ropes 1079 00:56:23.646 --> 00:56:27.317 is for the elementary facility study with Mrs. 1080 00:56:27.317 --> 00:56:30.887 Purcell still learning our buildings is different than the elementary. 1081 00:56:31.788 --> 00:56:34.791 I didn't even register. Yes. 1082 00:56:34.824 --> 00:56:35.358 Clarify. 1083 00:56:35.358 --> 00:56:38.361 I looked at that, so I was. 1084 00:56:38.695 --> 00:56:41.664 I may have on the wrong building. 1085 00:56:41.664 --> 00:56:43.833 No. So thank you for that. 1086 00:56:43.833 --> 00:56:44.401 Great. 1087 00:56:44.401 --> 00:56:47.971 And the contract list will just be an ongoing item 1088 00:56:47.971 --> 00:56:50.974 on the Finance Committee budget 1089 00:56:51.207 --> 00:56:52.542 for each meeting, correct? Right. 1090 00:56:52.542 --> 00:56:55.545 So if there are any questions, it's a good opportunity to we'll 1091 00:56:55.545 --> 00:56:58.448 we'll do the same, too, especially if it comes to a curriculum, 1092 00:56:58.448 --> 00:57:00.083 general services, depending on the frequency 1093 00:57:00.083 --> 00:57:03.920 or what's it's coming when timing time wise, just to give a placeholder 1094 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.123 to ask questions for class. 1095 00:57:08.792 --> 00:57:10.460 Perfect. 1096 00:57:10.460 --> 00:57:10.860 All right. 1097 00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:13.696 Well, it is. 5:59 p.m.. 1098 00:57:13.696 --> 00:57:18.101 So there are no public attendees online or in the audience. 1099 00:57:19.102 --> 00:57:21.237 So if no one else has any 1100 00:57:21.237 --> 00:57:24.774 questions or comments, then I would move to adjourn. 1101 00:57:24.941 --> 00:57:27.944 Finance meeting at 5:59 p.m. 1102 00:57:29.012 --> 00:57:30.780 and we'll meet again 1103 00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:33.750 at the end of April 25th. 1104 00:57:33.883 --> 00:57:35.385 Okay, so moved. 1105 00:57:35.385 --> 00:57:36.820 Thank you. 1106 00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:38.221 Second reading. 1107 00:57:38.221 --> 00:57:39.923 All in favor say. Hi. 1108 00:57:39.923 --> 00:57:41.658 Hi. Any opposed? 1109 00:57:41.658 --> 00:57:43.293 Meeting is adjourned. 1110 00:57:43.293 --> 00:57:45.929 Thank you to our citizen advisors for joining us.