DTSD Webinars: I'd like to call to order the August fourteenth session of the Policy Committee if I could get a roll call.
DTSD Webinars: Bob Bennett. Board, member. Colby Hollinger, Citizen Advisor.
DTSD Webinars: London Board, Member
DTSD Webinars: Lindsay Kuch, Board, Member
DTSD Webinars: Stacy Wenslow, Superintendent Lindsay Drew Board, Member Jason Reich Center, representing the Administration Shelley, G. Board, secretary.
DTSD Webinars: And do we have any online members?
DTSD Webinars: I don't see anyone on the zoom.
DTSD Webinars: That's not really my strong suit. So I think somebody else's word. There's nobody on there.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, if I get a motion to approve the minutes from last meeting. So moved Lindsey drew second. Lindsey Koch. All those in favor. Say, aye, aye, any opposed?
DTSD Webinars: Those are approved. Move on. We have no finished business. And moving on to revised policies and board operating guidelines.
DTSD Webinars: First one we'll take a look at is board operating guideline 0 0 5 cash, 3 board relations.
DTSD Webinars: Alright. So in that. The blue highlighted area there Dr. Reisner kind of gave kind of a starting point to go for this.
DTSD Webinars: Hopefully, everybody's had a chance to take a look at that and open up discussion on
DTSD Webinars: this particular policy, and anything like to see updated change or revised to it.
DTSD Webinars: This is Lindsey Cooke. I just wanted to say that. Thank you to Dr. Reif Snyder. I think that
DTSD Webinars: Psba holds us to certain guidelines, and there's definitely no harm in kind of setting ourselves to a higher standard. And I I'm happy with this wording, and I think it kind of does just that is, maybe adds a little bit more detail. And guidance to
DTSD Webinars: expectations for board members. So I'm I'm happy with the wording. I don't have any edits at this time.
DTSD Webinars: Dr. Cronin. Do you have anything? I'm trying to use my own computer because my other computer won't start up. So I'm trying to download the file. I apologize. This is O, 503.
DTSD Webinars: Oh, 5 board guidelines. Yeah. Okay, all right. The one that okay. Oh, 5 board relations. Is that the one? Yes.
DTSD Webinars: and you're commenting to the
DTSD Webinars: I was commenting that I was happy with the suggestions for wording, and that from Jason. Yes, right? Yes, the blue underlying part. I do not have any edits. I think that that
DTSD Webinars: does what we want it to do.
DTSD Webinars: Okay? And I my comment, and I printed it out. So now I'm trying to find it sorry.
DTSD Webinars: I like those comments. There was one adjustment I was going to suggest, and that was Oh, here it is. Thank you.
DTSD Webinars: The sentence the second sentence reads, read reads with this in mind, it is advisable that School Board members refrain, Yada Yada Yada. My suggestion for that was going to be to get rid of what? To remove the it is advisable, and just say, with this in mind, School Board members should refrain from posting
DTSD Webinars: and just removed, removed. It is advisable that an add-in should refrain.
DTSD Webinars: and then my second suggestion was
DTSD Webinars: wording that I believe Terry had recommended.
DTSD Webinars: Do you have? Did you guys? I'm not sure if you saw I did see what? Yeah. So I like, Terry had it added a recommended adding a sentence. says, in order to encourage and safeguard communications from parents, slash guardians and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district, be it's web-based platforms and or email board, members and staff will treat such information as private and confidential, and such information will only be utilized by appropriate officials to address matters
DTSD Webinars: about which constituents conversed.
DTSD Webinars: I was comfortable with that
DTSD Webinars: when I spoke to Terry briefly this morning. The only thing I said about his comments where I didn't think we could put a word confidential in there, because then I think we're changing the definition of confidential
DTSD Webinars: because it's not confidential. So I don't think we can say so just private
DTSD Webinars: that makes sense information is private. I'm I'm gonna pull it up. I
DTSD Webinars: don't have his suggestion in front of me right now.
DTSD Webinars: Just don't think we can say that the information is private. Do you know what I mean? Right? Yes, or treating? I think that I think that's a good distinction saying to treat information as private.
DTSD Webinars: gives you intent. which I think makes sense.
DTSD Webinars: Yeah, I also think the end of it also about the kind. So you know, address matters which constituents conversed, I think kind of it seems a little bit
DTSD Webinars: some that didn't make sense and make sense like, really. I mean, I understand we're saying, but it's kind of wordy. It's kinda II think this is not unnecessary. I think if someone emails in and you, wanna I don't think you need to be limited to use that base.
DTSD Webinars: So I know just what the constituent wants to converse about. You know, if we were using it for something else. I think that kind of limits, what
DTSD Webinars: we can do it in an official manner, I think, using it, you know, to utilize by appropriate officials, I think kind of ended there.
DTSD Webinars: But I think it's all it really needs not limiting yourself to to the topic of the the constituent
DTSD Webinars: set in.
DTSD Webinars: Yeah, I think some of the wording would need to be changed, like, I think if we want to use this suggestion,
DTSD Webinars: we would need to say, like it says, in order to encourage and safeguard communication from parents, guardians, and community citizen and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district via its web based platforms and or email board members and staff. I think you say you need to say, should treat information
DTSD Webinars: private, and such information will should only be utilized by appropriate officials. II think, just because it's
DTSD Webinars: I don't think we can write in there what you need to do with it, or what you can and can't do just that. The guidelines we're setting for ourselves is that we should
DTSD Webinars: use it for appropriate, inappropriate ways.
DTSD Webinars: So I think I'm okay. We should.
DTSD Webinars: This is Lindsay Drew, I guess.
DTSD Webinars: in one of the comments I believe, Dr. Cook, that you had made it was looking. You said something about this accomplishes what we're looking to accomplish, and I guess I'm wondering if that can be expanded on, because.
DTSD Webinars: while I think that the language suggested, you know, and provided by Dr. Reif. Snyder is certainly
DTSD Webinars: acceptable. You know, in the sense that it it makes sense.
DTSD Webinars: I want to just be careful that we recognize and acknowledge that this is a board operating guideline. It's not policy. And so these are things that are not enforceable. They're not
DTSD Webinars: things that can be held accountable by the Board as a whole, you know, for one member.
and I think that
DTSD Webinars: implementing this could
DTSD Webinars: maybe cause confusion or be misleading for members of the public
DTSD Webinars: in, because when you read it on here, you would think it's a quote unquote rule. But there's not a consequence to any rule, and
you know there are certainly plenty of things inside of these operating guidelines
DTSD Webinars: that are there as suggestions, but are routinely not adhered to or followed by the board. And so I want to make sure that as a collective body that we are not.
you know, arbitrarily putting things in here and kind of doing a
DTSD Webinars: throwing stones. When we live in a glass house, situation because it just adds further potential for
DTSD Webinars: problems or you know issues to arise no. And I agree with what you're saying, which is what cause? I just that like these are just expectations really, which is why, I thought, if we're going to put things in there, we need to use words like, should and it's advisable that because that's all we can really do is
DTSD Webinars: advise and say, You know, this would be great if we all did this. But I mean you're you're right, that it is just that it's guidelines, and there are no consequences, and it's expectations. And
DTSD Webinars: I know it's it. They're not always followed as they're written out, so I would hate to add just more. But I think that one of the things we had talked about, too, was
DTSD Webinars: using Psba standards and expanding on them. If we find it necessary to just hold ourselves to a higher standard. And which policy is this guideline?
DTSD Webinars: Is it? Is it assigned to a policy, or is it just a general
DTSD Webinars: board relations, categorical guidelines?
DTSD Webinars: Am I asking that correctly.
DTSD Webinars: like local board procedures are all 0 0 0. So this is a guideline 0 0 5. Does it correspond to a specific policy.
DTSD Webinars: I believe I believe that it does correspond to board communications policy 0 0 3.1 when we revised and reviewed all of the board level, 0 policies of and compared against the board operating guidelines, since those are our version. Excuse me of administrative regulations and guidelines.
DTSD Webinars: like the Administration uses for carrying out policy. You know, we had compared those and fine tuned a few things.
DTSD Webinars: So as this is a guideline, and so in line with what both Lindsay and Lindsay said, You know I II am happy with the
DTSD Webinars: edits suggested
DTSD Webinars: by Jason, with the one minor suggestion that that I offered, plus the addition that Terry did with Bob and Lindsay cook's
DTSD Webinars: and dish or minor changes. But what I
DTSD Webinars: I feel that if we utilize 2 additional sentences, those sentences, in whichever
DTSD Webinars: capacity that we approve them, that I would like to also see them in
DTSD Webinars: the appropriate policy also, like so board communications, for example, it would make sense to have that in a board communication policy.
DTSD Webinars: you know. Possibly. So that would be 0 3.1 possibly reiterate it if it's if it's
DTSD Webinars: appropriate, because there's also communication guidelines in 0 1 1.
DTSD Webinars: think they're probably the 2 that are the most
DTSD Webinars: aligned with that.
DTSD Webinars: Yeah, maybe even 9, 10 community engagement.
DTSD Webinars: you know. Just we just want to make sure the community is aware. And I think it's important for the community to be aware of how communications are dealt with, because that's that's where community members would go to look for
DTSD Webinars: got, you know, policy and expectations. So whatever we agree on, I would I would love to see it. In what other
DTSD Webinars: policies appropriately address the same topic. Does that make sense?
DTSD Webinars: Yeah. 3.1. We're gonna that's on the agenda here this evening. Any. Some of the other ones. I think there's other policies we'd like to address, we can collectively figure that out and with the same verbiage. So when you like, we have to redo whatever the verbiage that we agree upon on good with wherever we feel. Go.
DTSD Webinars: and then we can maybe get. There's an agenda for September if there's something else we want to add. So
DTSD Webinars: my question. There is putting it into policy
DTSD Webinars: and having it be board policy.
DTSD Webinars: Couldn't
DTSD Webinars: that raise issues with
DTSD Webinars: rights of an individual board member?
DTSD Webinars: I mean, there's not a law prohibiting. I think, that we could all agree collectively as
DTSD Webinars: individuals, as adults, as whatever there are ways
DTSD Webinars: individually we would or wouldn't go about doing something. but that
DTSD Webinars: how that works for us as an individual does not
DTSD Webinars: prohibit another individual from doing something their own way when it's within the boundaries of law and the protections.
DTSD Webinars: You know, of their own rights. And so that's where I hesitate putting anything into policy
DTSD Webinars: that would conflict with that, because ultimately it's not enforceable. But there's nothing we can do, you know, for it.
DTSD Webinars: There's no discipline procedure.
DTSD Webinars: With all due respect we can say that about all these policies. I mean, even if you just look at 0 0 3.1 there are.
DTSD Webinars: you know, several statements on here that you can say the same thing.
DTSD Webinars: you know, in the event of District stakeholder, communicates to the board as a whole the district website, all board email contact, the board present or our designee, or respond on behalf of the board. Well, if someone responds on their own.
DTSD Webinars: that's
DTSD Webinars: we're just saying these are
DTSD Webinars: ideal. This is way. This is the way we want to be governed, and if people want to
DTSD Webinars: break them, that's their issue. And then the Board has, you know, future boards have to decide what to do. But I think to say what are like. You said, what our standard is, this is we. This is the standard we would like to set our community members to know that we take their communication seriously, and we want to keep them private.
DTSD Webinars: That's just a standard.
DTSD Webinars: It's just always been my understanding that in good policy making you don't make a change based off one thing or one individual, you do something that is for betterment of the whole. You know, if there have been things occurring, or you know, to try to to do something like that. This feels like we're
DTSD Webinars: trying to make changes based off one situation.
DTSD Webinars: Well, I think any times of policies. Go ahead, Bob. I'm sorry. Yeah, I think that's probably that's I would say, that's exactly what's happening. I mean, if if this has never really arouse, I mean came about at least in my tenure. If where this kind of thing was happening. I mean policy addresses when something happens that wasn't in policy, like, you know, we didn't have anything. I said you shouldn't be doing that. So now we do. That's kind of the nature of policy it could be. One incident could be many incidents. It kind of depends on the severity. What's going on, or the
DTSD Webinars: boards intend to address an issue. So the policies are never 100%. But obviously, as things come up.
DTSD Webinars: say, oh, that is an address. I guess we need to address that, or maybe we don't need to. So I think, and that's the exact time when you want to do a policy. If something happens, you realize, oh, maybe this, maybe we should address that.
DTSD Webinars: That's, I think, pretty much what we're doing doesn't matter whether it's one instant or not. It's whether we think, oh, the policy is kind of either silent or
DTSD Webinars: not clear. That's to me. That's when policy needs to be looked at again. But we're calling something private that's not necessarily private. If it's able to be accessed by a right to no request.
DTSD Webinars: III agree I don't think the word private is a good word to use.
DTSD Webinars: and Terry, like in the yellow part that Terry suggested, I'm in favor of keeping this in board operating guidelines. I think that that's the best place that we lay out as a board. These are our expectations, I think, to what you said, Lindsey. It's we're parents, and we're citizens. And so it gets sticky when it comes to policy. And
DTSD Webinars: here we're looking at just our role as board members and the expectations we hold for each other in this capacity. So I'm in favor of having it in board Operation Guide in our board operating guidelines. I don't think there's any harm in taking this blue part and also putting it in the communication
DTSD Webinars: policy, but I don't think that's necessary. I think that board operating guidelines, as I understand them to be. The expectations we hold for each other is the best place to add something like this.
DTSD Webinars: Can I just address the privacy issue. So one of the things you may want to consider is some language that that just says unless protected by law.
DTSD Webinars: because that would, there are, there is information that could come into the hands of board members that is protected. So I wouldn't.
DTSD Webinars: I don't agree with the statement that it's all, all that information is public information, right? I mean, obviously, there are plenty of things that are not public because
DTSD Webinars: they're protected by law.
DTSD Webinars: II guess some of what has precipitated getting us here. It's the elephant in the room, so to speak, of information that was shared on social media that was not protected
DTSD Webinars: by law. Information understood. The the reason I'm suggesting that is, there was some concern about the perception of the public if they read this. So I think that makes it a little clearer where that line is.
DTSD Webinars: So can you be more specific? Are you referencing the statement about that, Terry? Suggestions you which you might not have in front of you, but the
DTSD Webinars: the part where we said like, in order to encourage and safeguard communications from parents and guardians like, are you suggesting verbiage that we? Okay?
DTSD Webinars: So saying that
DTSD Webinars: we will treat information as private
DTSD Webinars: as per. No, as per legal requirements. I wasn't necessarily saying you would want to use the word private, because I don't disagree with you. I think you just would want some caveat language to say that
DTSD Webinars: information, because there is some information that's confidential. So I think you just want to make sure you reference in that language unless protected by law. So that would include Ferpa. That would include
DTSD Webinars: employment related stuff.
DTSD Webinars: But what if we have as a board want to make sure that our constituents know that we strive to keep information they share with us private, unless
DTSD Webinars: I think Terry said something, unless a subsequent right to know would be granted
DTSD Webinars: is what he?
DTSD Webinars: I think those suggestions that you're reading with. For Terry was not for policy, but was something that he thought maybe would be on the website in some capacity which isn't
DTSD Webinars: policy, but just something to think about like at another time.
DTSD Webinars: like at the very bottom there in yellow, right there was my understanding. I thought there was a disclaimer on the website or something which isn't really what we're doing here.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, I just thought that Burbage was was useful beyond
DTSD Webinars: beyond just the website. If it's appropriate whether it's that verbiage or not. The other thing I would take a look at maybe, is again going to the point of the distinction between guidelines and policy is just to make that very explicit
DTSD Webinars: on that section.
DTSD Webinars: So where would these?
DTSD Webinars: Where would a community member be able to see our guideline. If it's not in policy.
DTSD Webinars: like policies people look at. Yeah, they're they're listed on the website under the board
DTSD Webinars: same section. But the community can see that also, it's not just what I can see. Okay, alright, that's 1 min.
DTSD Webinars: So what do? How do we want? We need to make a motion to make an amendment and then see if we can send the full board right to. Okay.
DTSD Webinars: if they're a motion to amend currently the blue suggestion
DTSD Webinars: from Dr. Bry Schneider.
DTSD Webinars: I would mean I don't. This might be out of term, but I'll say I would like to make a motion to
DTSD Webinars: incorporate
DTSD Webinars: Jason's blue highlight.
DTSD Webinars: But to
DTSD Webinars: remove that, it is advisable and just make it more of a statement. School board members should reframe
DTSD Webinars: without making it as advisable. Or maybe it is advisable that and adding should.
DTSD Webinars: Okay. So the motion is to
DTSD Webinars: adopt that into the board guidelines, with the amendment of changing, taking out the
DTSD Webinars: it is advisable. And adding, should, is that
DTSD Webinars: correct your correct motion? That section?
DTSD Webinars: Do I have a second for that motion?
DTSD Webinars: I mean, I don't mind, really the
DTSD Webinars: I said. I don't really mind the wording
DTSD Webinars: I guess it's still like as we need to stay in this realm of like, it being
DTSD Webinars: guidance. So I think the word should is okay with this in mind.
That's cool.
DTSD Webinars: It's just the guidelines. Shouldn't tell us what we can and can't do. So I just wanted to make sure should worked with that right instead of will. Yeah, yeah.
DTSD Webinars: you might, you know, should mind saying should is one thing. Xiao is, you know, shouldn't
my legal
DTSD Webinars: change? Something you should do for shall do should
DTSD Webinars: policies don't typically use should language they use shall language. So to your point.
DTSD Webinars: They use shell language correct.
DTSD Webinars: That's another distinction between guidelines and policies. There's being a guideline should would be acceptable.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, that's fine with me.
DTSD Webinars: Second, okay.
DTSD Webinars: Alright, I get a
DTSD Webinars: we have the most motion a second. Can I get a vote on whether or not we adopt this into board guidelines? I'm sorry
DTSD Webinars: there's so. There's a motion to amend.
DTSD Webinars: But we didn't have a motion already. So really, we're just
DTSD Webinars: motion presenting this
DTSD Webinars: board operating guideline with proposed changes as outlined. I was actually only making motion to address that piece of it because I wanted to address
DTSD Webinars: Terry's piece separately.
DTSD Webinars: I want to. At least I wanted to. I was. My motion was to address, and I might not have done this right. I wanted to address what Jason had. The paragraph that Jason suggested, just on its own, as adding into it, and then address
DTSD Webinars: Terry's. Secondly, or do they have to be all done together? Can we do it separately like that.
DTSD Webinars: I made the motion to
DTSD Webinars: take to add in Jason's paragraph with some of our verbage changes, Lindsay seconded it. Put that. can we still, after that make other changes like this is into.
DTSD Webinars: except the entire policy, as is just to make that one change. No, the the motion is to make amendments to the policy, and I would discuss the amendments all at once.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, alright. So collectively. then, you can adopt or you can approve as amended.
DTSD Webinars: Did you need to prove this amend because she's amending what's in the blue. She has some things she's amended, and so do
DTSD Webinars: vote on that that way that one is amended, and then the next one and adopted all is one. Or you're saying, it's all one big motion. Can we do it in 2 steps to make it. Yeah, you II would suggest that you vote on the amendments first and make sure you have consensus on that language and then adopt it. But that's my literally. This vote is to
DTSD Webinars: amend the blue with Dr. Cronin's changes, which, so the item on the agenda includes the blue highlighted section. So we procedurally should
DTSD Webinars: vote or motion for that, and to the discussion, and then a motion to amend the proposed changes correct.
DTSD Webinars: So we missed the. We skipped the first motion. Yeah. So so, Bob, all the all that you need to do is is say, you know, that
DTSD Webinars: we we have a board operating guideline, you know. Does anyone want to approve the operating guideline? And then someone will say, Yes, and there's a second. Are there any amendments? And then then we take what Donna said, and then we can do the individual help you throw it. Okay.
DTSD Webinars: she's like.
DTSD Webinars: puzzle. Okay, yeah.
DTSD Webinars: alright. So we are. I have a motion to do. I have a motion to approve the board app and great operating guideline, as written as written on the screen in the blue, highlighted
DTSD Webinars: second so moved.
DTSD Webinars: Gotcha. Is there any discussion on that? Now, Donna, you propose an amendment to the gosh, so I approve. Hi.
DTSD Webinars: propose an amendment in which
DTSD Webinars: the second sentence, it is advisable that is deleted, and should members should refrain, the word should be added in the second sentence.
DTSD Webinars: do I have a second? Do I have a second on that second.
DTSD Webinars: any discussion on that?
DTSD Webinars: This is Lindsay drew
DTSD Webinars: as I mentioned before, I'm not opposed to the idea of this in theory.
DTSD Webinars: I think information should always be treated sensitively.
DTSD Webinars: That being said, I have grave concerns
DTSD Webinars: over the practice of adding things in on a one on one basis
DTSD Webinars: when situations arise.
DTSD Webinars: because I think it's a really slippery slope, and I think that it
DTSD Webinars: take ends up creating a lot of opportunity for people every time. They don't like something that a board member does
DTSD Webinars: to be putting that in.
DTSD Webinars: So I'm going to oppose this. not because I think it should be a free-for-all, not because I agree or disagree with anything. but because
DTSD Webinars: I think we have an obligation to have cleaner, tighter, better policy and guidelines than that. and I think that we're not adhering to some of our guidelines as they are already written today, and until we get that house in order, I don't think that we should start piling more on.
DTSD Webinars: And I think that as individually elected people
DTSD Webinars: who are serving the community, that that's where we're working together for collective governance of the district.
DTSD Webinars: when we spend this much time and energy going back and forth
DTSD Webinars: about how to try to govern
DTSD Webinars: ourselves.
DTSD Webinars: I feel we're really far off base of what we are here to do as
DTSD Webinars: school board directors, because this doesn't impact the students or the staff or any of the people that we're supposed to be here on behalf of
DTSD Webinars: great any other comments, or on this amendment. seeing none, I get a
DTSD Webinars: pay to have vote for the adoption of the amended policy, as
DTSD Webinars: cited by Dr. Cronin for the this board policy
DTSD Webinars: all in favor, say, aye.
DTSD Webinars: aye, any opposed.
DTSD Webinars: nay.
DTSD Webinars: that a board policy.
DTSD Webinars: the Port guideline is approved for review to the full. No. So so now you would, I give up. Go? Yeah, that's okay. So so now you would say, are there any?
DTSD Webinars: Are there any further amendments to to the board operating guideline?
DTSD Webinars: We have the other one. Okay.
DTSD Webinars: do we have any other amendments we'd like to make to this board operating guideline.
DTSD Webinars: Sure, I would like to include the suggested verbiage by that, Terry suggested changing to willed should, as
DTSD Webinars: Lindsay Cook suggested, and moving the West. I'm saying nonsensical. But the last phrase about
DTSD Webinars: so, Dr. Cronin, can I interrupt? I'll tell you what it is. Yeah, we have no idea what it is. So sentence the sentence says, in order to encourage and safeguard communications from parents, guardians, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the District via web-based platforms and or email
DTSD Webinars: board members and staff should treat such information as private. and such information should only be utilized by appropriate officials to address matters.
DTSD Webinars: Trust matters as needed.
DTSD Webinars: Kind of the sentence, kind of tails off when we remove his phrase
DTSD Webinars: will only be utilized by appropriate officials to address matters as appropriate is too redundant.
DTSD Webinars: School. How about have a tour only be utilized by school district officials to address matters as appropriate.
DTSD Webinars: Personally, I think that what we
DTSD Webinars: just put in blue is enough. I think that that's a little bit redundant, because if we're holding ourselves to the guidelines that we just
DTSD Webinars: decided to put in there. I think that we're doing all of that, anyway, so I don't. I'm not in favor of adding anything additional. At this time with that verbiage.
DTSD Webinars: Okay. The only thing I really liked about that was encouraging and safeguarding communications from parents
DTSD Webinars: and the rest is redundant, so I don't know if that should be added to the beginning of the Blue section
DTSD Webinars: in order to encourage and safeguard communications from parents, guardians, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district
DTSD Webinars: in his web-based platforms. And our email.
DTSD Webinars: does that make sense to just be a precursor to the blue section.
DTSD Webinars: You're right. The the rest of it. You're right, is redundant. I guess I was. I liked his opening sentence.
DTSD Webinars: I mean, that would be kind of like the introduction, I guess, to the
DTSD Webinars: the current blue highlight, if that was something somebody's willing wanting to do to add it in there. II agree. The rest of it is kind of redundant. I don't see the need for it to be in there.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, here. Maybe I can make this clear. So
DTSD Webinars: right before the Blue section, there's a little introduction that says board members are encouraged to actively communicate the various district stores stakeholders that the Board has established board communication practices, and then it says, all board members shall strive to follow, to follow these practices in uniform fashion, and the Blue section comes. So maybe that first sentence of first phrase of Terry's could be
DTSD Webinars: between those 2 introductory sentences. So it currently says, board members are encouraged to actively communicate to the various district stakeholders that the Board has established board communications, practices in order, encourage and safeguard communications from parents, guardians, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district via web-based platform and or email.
DTSD Webinars: All board members will strive to follow those these practices in Ur from fashion, and then the blue section. So it's that phrase between
DTSD Webinars: the 2 sentence in the introduction of this
DTSD Webinars: of the Blue section.
DTSD Webinars: Was that so? That's the amendment. I just want to make sure that would be my management. Should I say it clearly again? I that would be great if you could do that one more time. So
DTSD Webinars: I don't know how to refer to this. So the section communication with community members. there are 2 sentences prior to the blue
DTSD Webinars: new section. Yeah, I think if you, if you just read okay what you would like it to say
DTSD Webinars: after the
DTSD Webinars: within the section communications of community members. After the first sentence I would propose to add in the sentence, in order to encourage and safeguard communications from parents, guardians, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district via web-based platform and our email
DTSD Webinars: board email
DTSD Webinars: period. Comma. Then continue with the rest of what's there. So just be an insertion of that explanation explanation. since the rest is redundant. That's my motion, amended amended.
DTSD Webinars: So, Bob, you're adding you. So you want to add that sentence into the paragraph above the blue highlight section, right between the 2 sentences above the blue highlight. So then, you'd ask for a second. Make this amendment second amendment to the board operating guidelines.
DTSD Webinars: Yeah, I'll second that there any discussion on this
DTSD Webinars: discussion
DTSD Webinars: your vote on whether or not to amend it a second time, with the addition to Dr. Cronin's wording there on the paragraph
DTSD Webinars: of
DTSD Webinars: Okay, so what paragraph that is now screens not too high
DTSD Webinars: onto the
DTSD Webinars: here's the fourth paragraph down.
DTSD Webinars: adding, what Dr. Cronin added.
DTSD Webinars: get a voice, vote on this all in favor. Say, aye.
DTSD Webinars: any opposed? Nay. now, now you would vote with the that amendment is approved.
DTSD Webinars: Any other amendments to this operating guideline.
DTSD Webinars: Now you need a motion. No, no, you were looking at. No, I don't have any, no, not amendment, but I didn't know you had some
DTSD Webinars: something to say. There.
DTSD Webinars: I would
DTSD Webinars: like to just discuss or look at where, if we're going to move forward with this, putting in something to Mr. Z's suggestion. That would specify, you know things within the law, or something that would address the fact and clarify that
DTSD Webinars: board members don't give up their own individual rights or ability to share that this isn't.
DTSD Webinars: and enforceable.
DTSD Webinars: or item, that, if
DTSD Webinars: gone against, has consequence
DTSD Webinars: by the board. So if we're saying, it's important to recognize that School Board members hold a significant responsibility in maintaining a professional and unbiased image in their role in order to encourage and safeguard communication from parents, gardens, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district via its web based platforms and or email
DTSD Webinars: with this in mind is advisable. School Board members refrained from posting information.
DTSD Webinars: And I guess that's where I would suggest adding in something saying, posting information that would be deemed. or that would be protected under law.
DTSD Webinars: That would that cover that?
DTSD Webinars: Yeah. But that wouldn't be advisable. That would be required. That's a shallow as required. Okay, so
DTSD Webinars: Then the language would say, with this in mind is advisable that School Board members refrain from posting information.
DTSD Webinars: If if I might, Miss Drew, and I don't want to make your motion for you, but I would just add a very clear sense that says
DTSD Webinars: board members may not
DTSD Webinars: post information that is protected by law. and would that be in the better shooting the policy, or this? Guidelines. or both, or both?
DTSD Webinars: I don't think it hurts to put it in both
DTSD Webinars: given, given the given the concern again before about the public facing aspect of this as well.
DTSD Webinars: and where would that? Where should that go? Which I think it could go at the end of the sentence that is true is reading
DTSD Webinars: that the end of the blue Section. Then I would actually propose that we strike all of these amendments and insert a line that says board members shall not post information that is protected by law.
DTSD Webinars: and make it as cut and dry as possible.
DTSD Webinars: so that there's no room for confusion.
DTSD Webinars: I would just add, II support just adding that sentence that, Bill suggested.
DTSD Webinars: Not instead of anything else. I think it's
DTSD Webinars: Lindsay's motion at this point. No, to amend, so she's recommending an an amendment.
DTSD Webinars: I have a second on her amendment.
DTSD Webinars: I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I do like some of what's in blue here, because I think
DTSD Webinars: that there's no harm in stating
DTSD Webinars: the expectations in which we want to hold ourselves to. So I hate to like mix it all because I just think that like it doesn't hurt. It's
DTSD Webinars: they're they're good expectations to have. But I understand also what you're saying. We get a second. So we can have discussion. Okay, I'll second
DTSD Webinars: if we have a second discussion.
DTSD Webinars: That was my discussion. I just I don't know. II don't want to nix at all, because I think it's it's it's good to hold ourselves to high standards. Yeah, but I understand exactly. It would be the most cut and dry if that's the only sentence, and that's where I'm like as I'm listening, you know, to the conversation around like these are our board operating guidelines. So these are guidelines for the board. This isn't language for the public. This isn't you know, where we put assurances to provide.
DTSD Webinars: you know, comfort in reaching out. It's saying this is what we should like. It's what we do and don't do. And so, if we want it to be explicitly clear, we don't post information that should be
DTSD Webinars: that shall be prohibited by law.
DTSD Webinars: then that's what. Ultimately we're looking for. Correct. No, I don't think it is on really what I know what that's all I'm looking for. I'm looking for. If if a board member receives an email from anybody in the public taking that email and then posting online, I feel inappropriate. Because if you got it in the course of your email, you should not be posting that
DTSD Webinars: I'm not saying it's, you know, right to know someone could do that. And if they do that, then someone does that. But sitting here, the Board director, I don't feel that you should be taking emails or information you're receiving as this position and posting on your private email or private web social media account. You're using that. That is my intent. Yeah. And I respect all. Then you can't do it. And I respect your feeling on that. I feel the same way. I wouldn't
DTSD Webinars: post something on social media that I got in my email. But it's our feelings like it's not something that can be enforced. We can't tell someone else that on the board they can't do it.
DTSD Webinars: This isn't a situation where the Administration tells a staff member. You may not do this because that is rules of employment.
DTSD Webinars: We can't put it like it's not putting it in a student handbook that's associated to a discipline policy issue. This is 9 individually elected people who are only
DTSD Webinars: put in, you know, any type of disciplinary situation. If
DTSD Webinars: the Commonwealth law
DTSD Webinars: allows for that.
DTSD Webinars: I think it's it's what I think. What Lindsey said is setting a standard just like in guidelines. You know, policy 0 1 1.
DTSD Webinars: It says, you need to communicate clearly clearly, honor the sanctity of executive session, protect confidentiality, promote open, honest, respectful dialogue on board members. This is, that's the standard. Yeah, right? That doesn't. We've
DTSD Webinars: possibly has hasn't always happened. But it's the standard. And I think I feel I like the blue changes that we already made. But I also agree that adding that sentence that you said is just further clarity without taking away the standard that we want to have, I think, to just say we won't do anything that's unlawful. It's kind of
DTSD Webinars: kind of missing the boat we have a week, but one, because in the rest of our policy it says we're gonna act
DTSD Webinars: ethically. We're going, you know, to do things with the best you know of things in mind. I just feel like this is very specific and targeted. So I'm just gonna withdraw the motion.
Okay.
DTSD Webinars: any other motions to this, I would like to try and get some of the stuff that Mr. Z. Suggesting about, you know, into the policy as well while we're doing this at one shot?
DTSD Webinars: Do you want to make the motion? What he said? Try to capture that? Yeah, I can do that.
DTSD Webinars: I don't know what he said.
DTSD Webinars: so you're taking a vote now on the policy as proposed. No, I'm
DTSD Webinars: I'm getting some guidance here from Mr. ZI agree that this about his. His suggestion, I think, is warranted. And since we're changing this policy or voting on this policy, I think we get it all in at one time. So we're not doing it again. So you would need to.
DTSD Webinars: I think he's looking for some
DTSD Webinars: or yeah. Yeah. Procedurally, I'd like to motion to amend to insert the language as suggested by Mr. Z. Okay, I will second that motion. That's your new motion.
DTSD Webinars: Got it? We're gonna hear what it is. So we vote on that mission here and see what it is.
DTSD Webinars: Discussion would that be at the very end of the blue section?
DTSD Webinars: But kind of see what is the suggestion is here.
DTSD Webinars: I'm gonna get this. Okay.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, Mr. Bennett. My motion to amend
DTSD Webinars: the language already previously approved to amend would be to insert. It is important to recognize that School board members hold a significant responsibility in maintaining a professional and unbiased image in their role in order to encourage and safeguard communication from parents, guardians, and community citizens who would like to correspond with the district via its web-based platforms and or email
DTSD Webinars: in accordance with applicable board policy. The Board shall not disclose information prohibited by law.
DTSD Webinars: Say that one more time.
DTSD Webinars: in accordance in accordance with applicable board policy, the Board shall not disclose information
DTSD Webinars: prohibited by law sounds like we have precluded.
DTSD Webinars: I can't read your handwriting. I'm sorry. Let's say, precluded or prohibited.
DTSD Webinars: Prohibited. Prohibited.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, I thought, that's what it was. But then I second, guessed it.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, get a second on that second yep
DTSD Webinars: discussion on that. So yeah.
DTSD Webinars: just this is now going to be the whole amendment. This, in addition to the amendment. That's that blue section is not exactly what the Blue Section would say now that we're at
DTSD Webinars: amendment.
DTSD Webinars: but so
DTSD Webinars: all those in favor say, aye, opposed
DTSD Webinars: none. That is, that amendment is approved.
DTSD Webinars: Okay? And now would be approving the board on how we have, I mean, with all these are 30 day with all these amendments for a 30 day review. Can I get a motion to approve this changes to the board operating guidelines for the 30 Day Review.
DTSD Webinars: Second Donna Cronin, all those in favor say, aye, aye, aye.
DTSD Webinars: opposed. aye, just on madow principal. or nay, as my principal
perfect
DTSD Webinars: alright moving on to 5 B. That would be policy. 3.1 board communications.
DTSD Webinars: This was put on. Here also is kind of the same
DTSD Webinars: corresponding policy to that board guidelines which board policy. It's the board communications policy 3.1 to 3.1.
DTSD Webinars: Are there any other ones that are similar
DTSD Webinars: for today. That is the only with only agenda
DTSD Webinars: except previously. If there's some other ones you'd like to have on the agenda, we can try and work on that for September, potentially. If there's any more need to go on there. I am in favor of just keeping what we did board operating guidelines
DTSD Webinars: and
DTSD Webinars: kind of to Lindsey's point, trying to move on to some more.
DTSD Webinars: to some other matters
DTSD Webinars: any other. Yeah, I mean, I bye totally respect that idea. I would
DTSD Webinars: I would prefer to have it added to the policy. The same verbiage we just added to be in in policy somewhere, and this would be the most appropriate.
DTSD Webinars: I I'm not. I don't like redundancy as much. I mean, if we have it one place, I once again it's a policy, another unenforceable kind of policy for the elected officials. So I mean, it's it's on their expectation, I think, as being
DTSD Webinars: portrayed and into the
DTSD Webinars: operating guidelines. I don't think it needs to be added there myself.
That's fine.
DTSD Webinars: So anybody have any motions for this this policy.
DTSD Webinars: none move on.
DTSD Webinars: So I just wanna be clear. We're not adding the language, not adding anything.
DTSD Webinars: 5 c. Policy, 6.1 attendance at meetings via electronic communications. This was a policy that Dr. Cronin
DTSD Webinars: requested be on the agenda this evening. Dr. Cronin, would you like to talk about your changes to this? Yeah, I can't like, I said II still can't pull anything up, but the only change that I would recommend would be
DTSD Webinars: under guidelines. The second paragraph that it would say, however exceptional.
DTSD Webinars: however exceptions may be granted by Majority board vote instead of full board
DTSD Webinars: of my own. Rob
DTSD Webinars: recommended change. Do we make that in the Board version of motion?
DTSD Webinars: So you had one. You also had it like on the area, had something. The minimal, the maximum yeah crossed out is that straight from kips. But as I, as I was looking at. I printed out as I looked at it. That's not
DTSD Webinars: I would, I would say, take the current policy as is, and just change that one sentence he had. He had a bunch of other changes, but I would just say, keep the policy as is, except for guidelines. Second paragraph
DTSD Webinars: change the last sentence to be. However, exceptions may be granted by the board majority vote
DTSD Webinars: or a vote by them.
DTSD Webinars: The best way to word it. Majority vote by a majority of the full Board, by a majority of the full Board.
DTSD Webinars: And where where are you? Adding, I don't see so under got under guidelines in policy 6.1.
DTSD Webinars: The second paragraph says, majority of school directors shall be physically present.
DTSD Webinars: and a school director may only attend a maximum to board members meetings, the electronic communications, then the last sentence says, however exceptions may be granted by the full board, my motion would be to change that to. However, exceptions may be granted by
DTSD Webinars: the majority vote of the full board.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, it is second on that amendment.
DTSD Webinars: Well, I'll second them. I'll second that
DTSD Webinars: any discussion on that.
DTSD Webinars: Yeah. So I think we talked about this before. And I'm I mean, we. You're the board members. You can do it. What you want with the policy. But
DTSD Webinars: we we currently don't vote right at a board meeting, and I thought the reason we had the language in here to go through. The President is so we you wouldn't have to vote in public at a board meeting. So by changing the language, and I could be wrong.
DTSD Webinars: Mr. Z. But you would have to vote then in public. That's correct. This is Linda. This policy was last revised in June of 2022, and at that time language like this was considered and not moved on from the Policy Committee, because we did discuss the fact that
DTSD Webinars: by requiring a majority vote of the Full Board. It would have to be an agendaized item. It would have to be an in public discussion or vote at the start of a meeting. The logistics would have to be coordinated, and if the Board did not vote to allow that member, it it just created
DTSD Webinars: a lot of unnecessary logistical, you know, and
DTSD Webinars: board relations to that. Which is why it went to. You know it.
DTSD Webinars: The only revision to this policy at that time ended up being maybe granted by the full Board, through communications with the Board, President and or superintendents, so that we specified the path for communication on it. So
DTSD Webinars: given the fact that the full Board unanimously approved this.
DTSD Webinars: You know, less than a year ago. I'm not in favor of making any changes to it. So are you. So the question, this is a procedural question, because I guess I don't think I understand. So if you're so, the President can. So right now, what happens is the President
DTSD Webinars: emails and asks everybody if they're okay.
DTSD Webinars: with granting an exception, how's that different from and counting up making sure it's everyone versus majority. So I just don't understand the difference. And maybe there's an obvious difference. I just don't get it. So right now, the President just makes a
DTSD Webinars: emails out and says, anybody have a problem with this, what's your vote? And everyone either says yes or no. And if everyone says, yes, it's okay. If one person says No, it's not. How's that different from just saying, Oh, well, 5 people said, yes, 4 said, No, it's then we can do it.
DTSD Webinars: I think you're when you need to get a majority of the Full Board, and you're saying that
DTSD Webinars: it can be granted by majority the Full board. You're indicating that there's going to be a vote right now the way it is.
DTSD Webinars: If
DTSD Webinars: no one, I mean, if one person says
DTSD Webinars: you can't do this.
DTSD Webinars: then that's not a vote, though.
DTSD Webinars: So it's not. That's not, I mean, procedurally, that's not considered a vote when they when the President says No, in fact, what the what the board, what the Board President would do is reach out to each of the Board members individually, and see if
DTSD Webinars: there's any issue. With making an exception.
DTSD Webinars: So there's no quorum together. There's no vote being made. Okay, all right. So then I would withdraw that motion, and I would recommend my motion would be to change the verbiage. To. However exceptions may be granted by the President.
DTSD Webinars: is that, would that be a procedurally and okay thing to do.
DTSD Webinars: Yes, okay. so, and they don't have to make any calls, they can just decide on their own.
DTSD Webinars: If, again, as Mr. Rife Snyder indicated, you're the board. If that's the direction that the board wants to go. Sure. Yeah, I mean, I just I just in in
DTSD Webinars: it takes away the ability of one person to just
DTSD Webinars: say no
DTSD Webinars: to somebody, and this way can just be the President, who was already voted by everybody to be to be their decision maker rather than one board member
DTSD Webinars: I have. I kind of mixed feelings about that, like I get both. So you know, having one you could have at a 9 person, you know. You could have one person that continuously kind of, you know, wants to, you know. Not. Let somebody come for these captions. I get it. And then, conversely, we kind of swung the other way where we're now throwing the whole things on to the President, and he kind of has the same kind of, you know.
DTSD Webinars: Rule on that, I guess if you will, gives him a little, gives the him only because he's currently the President, but gives the President in a you know a little bit too much.
DTSD Webinars: say, and who can attend, I think, in my opinion, and really the
DTSD Webinars: the majority. It would be ideal, and I understand why we're not doing that, no matter
DTSD Webinars: proposing that we do so at this point I'm I'm prepared to leave that says.
DTSD Webinars: can I ask a question?
DTSD Webinars: what would the exception be if that sentence before it is struck out?
DTSD Webinars: So if we're striking out that
DTSD Webinars: they may only attend a maximum of 2 board meetings. I don't think she she meant to strike that out. Okay, yeah, that was that correct? That was recommended before, and if
DTSD Webinars: so, my feeling is that if you're going to make it a limit
DTSD Webinars: of only 2, then you need to have an exception out, and that exception out disagree with you. I just didn't understand no exception out then. Maybe that sentence
DTSD Webinars: needs to be struck or
DTSD Webinars: number change, and I personally, I like I
DTSD Webinars: personally don't, will never attend an electronic meeting.
DTSD Webinars: But I'm looking at future board members
DTSD Webinars: who, if they work or travel
DTSD Webinars: and
DTSD Webinars: have to miss a meeting to either miss it all together, or can you join a lease? Will join electronically? So you have. So you're not missing everything
DTSD Webinars: as a community. I talked to other community members about this. II don't disagree with that with the times that we're in, I would rather have the collective board as many present as possible. That's an option. But
DTSD Webinars: I understand again, both sides being physically present. That's just my opinion.
DTSD Webinars: 5 board members must physically be here in order to
DTSD Webinars: establish a quorum as per school code and law. So, having no limit.
DTSD Webinars: leaves it up to be a are we going to have everybody? And it doesn't prevent someone from, not from attending all electronically, in which then, they are not able to also attend executive session.
DTSD Webinars: And be here for that. And so that's where that came in. But again, like the you know, 2 per year, when you look at the number that we have is very infrequently you know, reached
DTSD Webinars: an exception has only been asked in a couple of instances. In the entire time I've been on the board
and
DTSD Webinars: It was only when
DTSD Webinars: people felt it was being taken advantage of, that it was not permitted when it was, for medical reasons or other, you know, extenuating circumstances. it was exception granted without issue.
DTSD Webinars: So you know, we expect
DTSD Webinars: students to come to school people to come to work like these are the meetings we're here for.
DTSD Webinars: and if you're going on vacation or something, and you don't have any electronic attendance left like, Go enjoy your vacation.
DTSD Webinars: I and that's the point I was gonna make is the the fact that 5 have to physically be here. I think it puts
DTSD Webinars: pressure on people who may never miss to then not miss. If maybe there's someone who kind of is virtual a lot. I I'm hesitant also, with just a new board coming in. II think we need to make sure that the people who want this role have a commitment to be here. And so I would not be in favor of
DTSD Webinars: having too many exceptions to be electronic, like, I think 2 is plenty.
DTSD Webinars: II just don't like the idea that it was. It would just be up to this, the President to make that decision. I think it could cause unnecessary conflict. And added responsibilities and even pressure depending on board relations and things like that to make that decision, especially if it may be, which I hope it would never be, but something that's taken advantage of. And then there's a whole lot of people who want to do that regularly. I think that that would be very difficult to manage.
DTSD Webinars: I definitely agree. So I think, having the limit prevents. get from being overused. But
DTSD Webinars: having the President.
DTSD Webinars: I agree with your reason. You don't want to have the President have that power. But then you have individual, one individual board member now has the power. And what's the lesser Tweedles?
DTSD Webinars: I don't know the answer to that, but I was just trying to clean that up, because if
DTSD Webinars: you know, Bob has a third, a third meeting that he he's out of town, for he doesn't want to miss the meeting because it's an important vote or whatever. And someone says, well, we don't want your vote. So we're not gonna let you attend. Is that fair, either? So to. So it's just trying to make it so that
DTSD Webinars: this has happened so infrequently that it seems like a lot of discussion around things that very rarely ever happen unless it's been a situation where there's a perception of it being abused.
DTSD Webinars: Well, II don't. I don't necessarily agree with you, but I appreciate that, and I know that
DTSD Webinars: the intent of this was is not to be
DTSD Webinars: punitive, but to also allow. Would you rather have somebody who has
DTSD Webinars: 3 work meetings a year? I'm just making this up 3 work meetings a year to miss 3 or to be able to at least attend. They're gonna miss them, anyway, because they've got 3 out of town work meetings, or they can attend virtually
DTSD Webinars: well, be easy. Say sorry you can't do the third one to have, whereas is that that's you give you the chance to be punitive when you'd be like, well, if you're gonna miss, anyway. I'd rather you be participative. That's my feeling. So I think the 2 limits it limits it from being
DTSD Webinars: taken advantage taken or being abused, but to allow one person to prevent someone to attend a meeting when there could be a critical vote when they're gonna be missing. Anyway, that that's the only piece that I think needs to be
DTSD Webinars: fixed so that I just feel that keep someone from attending. If we were in that situation where maybe one person was
DTSD Webinars: arbitrarily saying, no right, and the rest of the board was like, come on, that's
DTSD Webinars: then the Board could move to override and make a policy like that. There are ways
DTSD Webinars: to handle those types of situations. So how Bill from from a procedural standpoint. If the President asks, everyone, can Lindsey attend the, you know a third meeting electronically, because she's out of town.
DTSD Webinars: and one person says, No, there's nothing that they can do right there on the spot, like, how would you address that? So I mean in Roberts, was orders you. You can suspend the rules.
DTSD Webinars: There's there's a procedure to to do that. If the Board really wanted to, for a particular meeting on on a one-time basis. You could suspend the rules. But how? How would that occur at
DTSD Webinars: at that specific meeting on site, on site?
DTSD Webinars: Yeah, and where there would be a vote and discussion.
DTSD Webinars: So if Lindsay's sitting there in the in the cloud ready to join in, we could say, yes, we're going to override and let her join correct.
DTSD Webinars: Okay, so right now, just to wrap up, we have an amendment, but no second, I believe
DTSD Webinars: correct. So she withdrew it and redid it.
DTSD Webinars: So your amendment is to make that the President's on board. Is that correct? Right? Robert's rollback, because I see that I see the problems. But I was just trying to think of a way you have. No, you have no amendment, I have no amendment, but just knowing that it can be
DTSD Webinars: done at the time of the meeting. I just want new board members. This doesn't affect me. And if anyone thinks it doesn't affect me because I will not be attending electronically at all but the future boards. I think it's imperative that you don't have somebody on the board who is gonna prevent someone who needs to be in a meeting, or wants to be from attending because you don't want them to attend. I don't want to be to say oh, I don't want Bob to attend, because I don't want his vote to be counted
DTSD Webinars: just to reiterate, however, not to interrupt you, but I would not get into the habit of suspending the roles. So I think, to to Mr. Rifner's point, it is an emergency situation
DTSD Webinars: where you you raise the issue of a critical vote something like that so I would not, as a board, get into the habit of suspending the rules.
DTSD Webinars: right? So be, but but it could be done for critical vote. So is that is that something that everyone is comfortable with. If that's a situation to provide? Well, I guess the critical vote would come to the yeah. And like in my understanding, and I could be wrong. But that requires a two-thirds vote as well correct. And if I could also just add, because that it's been the situation before where a board member requested for a third and one board. One other board member said no.
DTSD Webinars: and so that board member wasn't there. I was President at the time, and so I reached out to the board member, not able to attend, and offered to read a statement during that critical vote
DTSD Webinars: on their behalf, so that their voice could still be heard. So whether it would be something as drastic as suspension of the rules, or offering the President, offering, as Parliamentarian to be able to represent the voice of that person for them.
I think there are always ways to do that. But again, those are in situations that are
DTSD Webinars: supposed to be the exception, not the norm.
DTSD Webinars: Okay? So at this point we have no amendments on the table. As long as there's a critical vote that there'd be an opportunity for someone's voice to be heard. Okay, perfect
DTSD Webinars: now to any public comments because of the time.
DTSD Webinars: if you know but anybody online. and we have no public comment. And can I get a motion for adjournment?
DTSD Webinars: So moved Donna Cronan, second Lindsey cuff
DTSD Webinars: all those same say, aye, aye, and we are adjourned at
DTSD Webinars: 18. 5 h.